From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Milan Glacier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Debunking Emacs merits over GUI - Re: package for Email Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 10:52:59 -0500 Message-ID: <20230120155259.2r6p5jdaan6r6wyv@zoho.com> References: <20230118180348.gzwvy6iztok45ko3@zoho.com> <20230119161030.vt4muwcdvuwdqmj7@zoho.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15616"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: NeoMutt/20220429 To: Gottfried , "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 20 16:54:05 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pItiO-0003t5-Hf for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 16:54:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pIthb-0003VG-HA; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 10:53:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pIthX-0003V5-6X for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 10:53:12 -0500 Original-Received: from sender3-op-o18.zoho.com ([136.143.184.18]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pIthV-0005wT-2y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 10:53:10 -0500 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1674229984; cv=none; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; b=D2XtpyH+mdJ/y468uCosCpDoTrkmFgK44sB6fwkfm63E5dR9lU9QzKvjFJvdy8+BQPH+lPlSfcND99lKXEHOOwRcJYUAMkkv8tI0jPh50uREOgRvNjtTVJjRE9KK1hmMWLHw1FvNP7khU/faS1wfD0Enf/AHTrsF3nqwJYDflBU= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; t=1674229984; h=Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Message-ID:References:Subject:To; bh=ZbFOWKBk4qRBloOw8qek2ZmLHpa/diuxorjKaMlkts8=; b=BH5LdgvO9/cxPZ1ZgtiITxe73cErF3TPEaL66xnMyEawEl42UQGouJBuejvUUZM4X+LQCeXF/G8s7smfF7MIbLRvRlA3zS00mGN9TUCElhSsz0nvysgYZGm2pZ3d43lfYCCOYGViiRGXgq38LT4WNlo3nH7SnBTVLH9dT71fHlk= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.zohomail.com; dkim=pass header.i=milanglacier.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=news@milanglacier.com; dmarc=pass header.from= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1674229984; s=zoho; d=milanglacier.com; i=news@milanglacier.com; h=Date:Date:From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Reply-To:Cc; bh=ZbFOWKBk4qRBloOw8qek2ZmLHpa/diuxorjKaMlkts8=; b=GpdBruhRuGRM4ayJfBemY16PXJs9Xm1SNrF0qlTmKr6cTDaLogcsN6wi8KdLXtMD TQ/w5+JAQDzlNu6STLgbZsOqs3EDTVzA6Rg1BuASSAwxg5mj/C5JSmODhPkakGfH7zA 4zz1nvM5XJTcntiTEI6t5Edaanpe1iINO9fEmaI4= Original-Received: from localhost (c-69-137-42-77.hsd1.md.comcast.net [69.137.42.77]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1674229981578462.53503937951973; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 07:53:01 -0800 (PST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-ZohoMailClient: External Received-SPF: pass client-ip=136.143.184.18; envelope-from=news@milanglacier.com; helo=sender3-op-o18.zoho.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:142456 Archived-At: You have mentioning a good vision.This is the next step of the Human-Computer Interaction revolution for sure. However this is something too far away, maybe off the topic too much. I don't know if there are any free email clients (either GUI or TUI) that could do what you say. And if so, this is the revolution. There's no need to recommend them, because they are destined to rule the world. I once encounter with a proprietary email client that has some elementary speech interaction support. And again since we are talking at GNU mailing list I don't recommend it. I only mentions non-free software when I am making comparison with others such that those non-free softwares are inferior. On 01/20/23 12:07, Jean Louis wrote: >* Milan Glacier [2023-01-19 19:12]: > >> Yes you are right. Average users won't feel it is powerful than GUI >> client. GUI client already satisfies the indexing and searching need for >> most of the user. That is the price of powerfulness, it takes time to >> learn. > >When system is truly powerful it will be ergonomic to human. There >will be hand gestures, and speech recognition. Display may be on a >large TV screen or when user walks to kitchen to fetch a sandwich, >monitor in the kitchen would recognize it and turn itself on, and keep >running the video or editing of the programming code. > >Almost any programming language ins powerful for programmer. > >But for user of the program, that is for majority of no meaning. What >people need is assistance in their life. > >I remember watching 1994 or 1995, perfectly functional speech >recognition software in Germany, and I was thinking alright, that is >what we have to have. It was writing text in German language straight >into some word processing program. > >And now is 2023, and we don't have it. There is software, but it is >all in parts and not integrated. > >People need integration. > >The non-free Android system shows pretty good integration of programs >and assistive technologies for human. It can speak, it can become >accessible, it provides sharing of almost anything to any >communication channel. > >E-macs provides e-mails, and there is XMPP/Jabber chat, and IRC, it >possible to connect it to communication channels, but it is all in >parts as it comes from terminal world, not graphical world. > >I could imagine nice graphical choice of packages with recognizable >identity icons, and simple descriptions, where user only need to click >once to install it. > >All kinds of sharing to communication channels should be implemented >just as the non-free Android system demonstrates it. > >Then the various assistive computer control like hand gestures, mouse >gestures, eye control, speech recognition -- and THEN we can say it is >powerful. > >And that is only two of features we need. Remember 2001: A Space >Odyssey from 1968? That is what I consider how it should be, there >shall be analogous "Hal" computer that listens to human, not only >listens, but knows what is to be done after some training, without any >talks. > >"When I wake up", "every morning", "open up doors, windows, and put my >bed in order". Prepare my toothbrush with toothpaste ready in >bathroom. When I enter bathroom, in the morning, give me middle stream >of water of 19 degree temperature. > >When we think of objects in semantic triplets, the above statements >are not hard to define by using speech or text. > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_triple > >Thus programs have to be powerful from human users' view point, not >just from programmers view point. > >-- >Jean