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From: Matt Armstrong <matt@rfc20.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, rms@gnu.org
Cc: db48x@db48x.net, conao3@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Interpret #r"..." as a raw string
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2021 18:47:10 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2y2f3ws7l.fsf@matts-mbp-2016.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83h7ls67rv.fsf@gnu.org>

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
>> Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, db48x@db48x.net, eliz@gnu.org,
>> 	conao3@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2021 00:53:55 -0500
>> 
>> In Lisp, what you put in the program _is_ a string.  What you write
>> in the textual code is not a "literal", it is the textual representation
>> of the string to put in the program.
>
> What is the difference between "literal string" and "textual
> representation of a string"?  I don't think I understand the
> difference from what you wrote.
>
>> I just saw that the term "literal" appears occasionally in the Emacs
>> Lisp Ref Manual.  Would someone like to rewrite those parts so that they
>> fit the concepts of Lisp batter?
>
> To rewrite those parts, one needs to understand what's wrong with them
> and how to express that better.  For example, we also say "literal
> characters" in a few places -- is that wrong as well, and if so, how?

I have noticed that most Lisp reference material does not use the word
"literal" to describe source code elements.  Which raises the question:
how does Lisp documentation typically talk about these things?

In my experience, most references typically don't name them at all.
E.g. when talking about strings it might say "the read syntax of a
string is ..." but things that satisfy "the read syntax of a string" are
never given a name like "string literal."



  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-04  2:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-26 18:18 [PATCH] Interpret #r"..." as a raw string Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 18:27 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-26 18:53   ` Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 19:03     ` Drew Adams
2021-02-26 19:48     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-26 20:23       ` Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 20:34         ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-26 20:39           ` Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 20:45             ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-26 20:50               ` Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 20:54                 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-26 20:03     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-26 20:34       ` Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 19:09 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-26 20:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-27  0:39   ` Daniel Brooks
2021-02-27 16:14     ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-27 16:18       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-01  5:19         ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-02  5:45           ` Matt Armstrong
2021-03-03  5:53             ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-03  6:14               ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03  7:00               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-04  2:47                 ` Matt Armstrong [this message]
2021-03-04 13:49                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-04 16:55                     ` Matt Armstrong
2021-03-05  5:44                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-05  5:39                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-05  8:01                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-06  5:13                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-06  6:04                         ` Matt Armstrong
2021-03-07  6:13                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-07 17:20                             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-06  8:27                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-06  9:51                           ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-06 10:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-07  6:08                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-27 20:41       ` Daniel Brooks
2021-02-28  6:22 ` Zhu Zihao
2021-03-01  5:26   ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-01 12:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-01 12:13   ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-02  5:59   ` Matt Armstrong
2021-03-02  9:56     ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-02 10:13       ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-02 10:55         ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-02 11:18           ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-02 11:26             ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-02 11:14       ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-02 11:52         ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-02 12:01     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-02 14:14       ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-02 14:32         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-02 15:06           ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-02 11:41 ` Aurélien Aptel
2021-03-02 13:49   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-02 14:46     ` Aurélien Aptel
2021-03-02 15:11       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-02 16:07         ` Aurélien Aptel
2021-03-03  7:31           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-03 16:02           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-02 20:36     ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03  0:27       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-03  0:42         ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03  8:16       ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-03  9:25         ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03  9:29           ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-03 10:02             ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03 10:11               ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03 10:14                 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-03 11:48                   ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03 10:12       ` Michael Albinus
2021-03-03 10:42         ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03 10:49           ` Michael Albinus
2021-03-03 16:12           ` Stefan Monnier

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