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From: Daniel Brooks <db48x@db48x.net>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: "Aurélien Aptel" <aurelien.aptel+emacs@gmail.com>,
	"Naoya Yamashita" <conao3@gmail.com>,
	"Emacs development discussions" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Interpret #r"..." as a raw string
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2021 12:36:34 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r1kxi97x.fsf@db48x.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvmtvln02z.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 02 Mar 2021 08:49:51 -0500")

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>> I have done a patch like that few years ago and it wasn't accepted
>> then see past discussion:
>> https://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2012-08/msg00071.html
>>
>> My notes and patch on implementing it:
>> http://diobla.info/blog-archive/raw-strings.html
>
> Thanks, that's quite helpful.
> At the end you state:
>
>     I personally think raw strings have their use outside of regexes and
>     would be a nice addition to the Emacs Lisp language.
>
> I'm willing to believe it, but so far the only concrete examples I've
> seen where raw string literals could be helpful are regexps.
>
> I'm clearly leaning against the addition of raw string literal (just
> like I'm leaning against the addition of multiline comments, BTW)
> because I feel the benefits are quite limited.

Luckily we have a readily–available corpus of elisp code that we can
measure.

The two–character sequence «\"» occurs on twelve and a half thousand
lines in just the Emacs lisp source code, often more than once per
line. 「\\」 is used on just over 27k lines, and “\\\\” 1604 times.

There are 101 lines using ⟦\\\\\\\\⟧.

     rg '\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'
    textmodes/reftex-vars.el
    564:      \"\\\\\\\\begin{eqnarray}\\\\|\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" works for eqnarrays.
    
    net/tramp-sh.el
    962:    quoted=`echo \"$file\" | sed -e \"s/\\\"/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"/\"`

Look at that! 19 backslashes followed by a double–quote. That’s just
stupid. I wonder if it’s a record? Should we use git blame to find the
names of every person who touched that line and ask them what they
think? I can guess what they would say.

I think the benefits would add up pretty quickly.

db48x



  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-03-02 20:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-26 18:18 [PATCH] Interpret #r"..." as a raw string Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 18:27 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-26 18:53   ` Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 19:03     ` Drew Adams
2021-02-26 19:48     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-26 20:23       ` Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 20:34         ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-26 20:39           ` Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 20:45             ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-26 20:50               ` Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 20:54                 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-26 20:03     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-26 20:34       ` Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 19:09 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-26 20:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-27  0:39   ` Daniel Brooks
2021-02-27 16:14     ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-27 16:18       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-01  5:19         ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-02  5:45           ` Matt Armstrong
2021-03-03  5:53             ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-03  6:14               ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03  7:00               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-04  2:47                 ` Matt Armstrong
2021-03-04 13:49                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-04 16:55                     ` Matt Armstrong
2021-03-05  5:44                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-05  5:39                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-05  8:01                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-06  5:13                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-06  6:04                         ` Matt Armstrong
2021-03-07  6:13                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-07 17:20                             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-06  8:27                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-06  9:51                           ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-06 10:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-07  6:08                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-27 20:41       ` Daniel Brooks
2021-02-28  6:22 ` Zhu Zihao
2021-03-01  5:26   ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-01 12:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-01 12:13   ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-02  5:59   ` Matt Armstrong
2021-03-02  9:56     ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-02 10:13       ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-02 10:55         ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-02 11:18           ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-02 11:26             ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-02 11:14       ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-02 11:52         ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-02 12:01     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-02 14:14       ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-02 14:32         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-02 15:06           ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-02 11:41 ` Aurélien Aptel
2021-03-02 13:49   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-02 14:46     ` Aurélien Aptel
2021-03-02 15:11       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-02 16:07         ` Aurélien Aptel
2021-03-03  7:31           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-03 16:02           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-02 20:36     ` Daniel Brooks [this message]
2021-03-03  0:27       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-03  0:42         ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03  8:16       ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-03  9:25         ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03  9:29           ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-03 10:02             ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03 10:11               ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03 10:14                 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-03 11:48                   ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03 10:12       ` Michael Albinus
2021-03-03 10:42         ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03 10:49           ` Michael Albinus
2021-03-03 16:12           ` Stefan Monnier

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