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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Matt Armstrong <matt@rfc20.org>
Cc: db48x@db48x.net, eliz@gnu.org, conao3@gmail.com,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Interpret #r"..." as a raw string
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2021 00:39:27 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1lI3BP-0007PO-7U@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2y2f3ws7l.fsf@matts-mbp-2016.lan> (message from Matt Armstrong on Wed, 03 Mar 2021 18:47:10 -0800)

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  > I have noticed that most Lisp reference material does not use the word
  > "literal" to describe source code elements.  Which raises the question:
  > how does Lisp documentation typically talk about these things?

  > In my experience, most references typically don't name them at all.
  > E.g. when talking about strings it might say "the read syntax of a
  > string is ..." but things that satisfy "the read syntax of a string" are
  > never given a name like "string literal."

There is no need to give them a name, because their role in Lisp is
limited and only one section in the manual needs to talk about it.

In documenting Lisp, the printed representation for an object is
a side issue.  We only need to talk about it in one place.

In most programming languages, an expression is text and a program is
text.  That text can contain string literals.  A string literal is the
text in a text that represents a string in an expression.

The manual has to describe the rules for that text at every level.
Including how to write and use string literals.  It may need to discuss
using a string literal in a certain place in an expression.

In Lisp, a program is a data structure.  It does not contain string
literals -- it contains strings.  Thus, various sections of the manual
can talk about what happens if you use a string in a certain
expression, but they don't need to talk about the printed representation
of that expression.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)





  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-03-05  5:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-26 18:18 [PATCH] Interpret #r"..." as a raw string Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 18:27 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-26 18:53   ` Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 19:03     ` Drew Adams
2021-02-26 19:48     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-26 20:23       ` Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 20:34         ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-26 20:39           ` Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 20:45             ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-26 20:50               ` Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 20:54                 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-26 20:03     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-26 20:34       ` Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 19:09 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-26 20:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-27  0:39   ` Daniel Brooks
2021-02-27 16:14     ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-27 16:18       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-01  5:19         ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-02  5:45           ` Matt Armstrong
2021-03-03  5:53             ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-03  6:14               ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03  7:00               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-04  2:47                 ` Matt Armstrong
2021-03-04 13:49                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-04 16:55                     ` Matt Armstrong
2021-03-05  5:44                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-05  5:39                   ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2021-03-05  8:01                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-06  5:13                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-06  6:04                         ` Matt Armstrong
2021-03-07  6:13                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-07 17:20                             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-06  8:27                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-06  9:51                           ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-06 10:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-07  6:08                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-27 20:41       ` Daniel Brooks
2021-02-28  6:22 ` Zhu Zihao
2021-03-01  5:26   ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-01 12:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-01 12:13   ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-02  5:59   ` Matt Armstrong
2021-03-02  9:56     ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-02 10:13       ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-02 10:55         ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-02 11:18           ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-02 11:26             ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-02 11:14       ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-02 11:52         ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-02 12:01     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-02 14:14       ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-02 14:32         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-02 15:06           ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-02 11:41 ` Aurélien Aptel
2021-03-02 13:49   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-02 14:46     ` Aurélien Aptel
2021-03-02 15:11       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-02 16:07         ` Aurélien Aptel
2021-03-03  7:31           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-03 16:02           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-02 20:36     ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03  0:27       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-03  0:42         ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03  8:16       ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-03  9:25         ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03  9:29           ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-03 10:02             ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03 10:11               ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03 10:14                 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-03 11:48                   ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03 10:12       ` Michael Albinus
2021-03-03 10:42         ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03 10:49           ` Michael Albinus
2021-03-03 16:12           ` Stefan Monnier

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