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From: Daniel Brooks <db48x@db48x.net>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: Matt Armstrong <matt@rfc20.org>,
	eliz@gnu.org, conao3@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Interpret #r"..." as a raw string
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2021 22:14:52 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8735xcix0j.fsf@db48x.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1lHKSJ-0004Kv-6C@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 03 Mar 2021 00:53:55 -0500")

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

>   > I have seen it called a "raw string literal" in other languages.
>
> The concept of "literal" does not fit Lisp very well.  It describe the
> situation with other languages, where expressions are not objects,
> only syntax.  In those languages, you don't put a string into your
> program, only a "literal" which represents a string value.
>
> In Lisp, what you put in the program _is_ a string.  What you write
> in the textual code is not a "literal", it is the textual representation
> of the string to put in the program.
>
> I just saw that the term "literal" appears occasionally in the Emacs
> Lisp Ref Manual.  Would someone like to rewrite those parts so that they
> fit the concepts of Lisp batter?

Are you sure? I could be wrong, but I think that the idea of literals
for types other than just numbers and strings comes from Lisp.

For example, if Javascript didn't have array literals then code like
this would be common:

    var foo = new Array();
    foo[0] = 42;
    foo[1] = 24;

Compare that with "var foo = [42, 24]" and "(setq foo '(42 24))".

I've not written much Pascal, but in section 19 of TeX: The Program we
see an array declared:

    xchr: array [ASCII_code] of text_char;

Followed by initialization in section 20:

    xchr[’40] ← ' ';
    xchr[’41] ← '!';
    xchr[’42] ← '"';

and so on.

But the terminology is something that probably doesn't come from Lisp,
since Lisp doesn't make any distinction between a list used for data and
a list used for code.

db48x



  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-03  6:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-26 18:18 [PATCH] Interpret #r"..." as a raw string Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 18:27 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-26 18:53   ` Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 19:03     ` Drew Adams
2021-02-26 19:48     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-26 20:23       ` Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 20:34         ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-26 20:39           ` Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 20:45             ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-26 20:50               ` Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 20:54                 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-26 20:03     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-26 20:34       ` Naoya Yamashita
2021-02-26 19:09 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-26 20:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-27  0:39   ` Daniel Brooks
2021-02-27 16:14     ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-27 16:18       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-01  5:19         ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-02  5:45           ` Matt Armstrong
2021-03-03  5:53             ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-03  6:14               ` Daniel Brooks [this message]
2021-03-03  7:00               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-04  2:47                 ` Matt Armstrong
2021-03-04 13:49                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-04 16:55                     ` Matt Armstrong
2021-03-05  5:44                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-05  5:39                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-05  8:01                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-06  5:13                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-06  6:04                         ` Matt Armstrong
2021-03-07  6:13                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-07 17:20                             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-06  8:27                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-06  9:51                           ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-06 10:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-07  6:08                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-27 20:41       ` Daniel Brooks
2021-02-28  6:22 ` Zhu Zihao
2021-03-01  5:26   ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-01 12:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-01 12:13   ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-02  5:59   ` Matt Armstrong
2021-03-02  9:56     ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-02 10:13       ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-02 10:55         ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-02 11:18           ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-02 11:26             ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-02 11:14       ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-02 11:52         ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-02 12:01     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-02 14:14       ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-02 14:32         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-02 15:06           ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-02 11:41 ` Aurélien Aptel
2021-03-02 13:49   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-02 14:46     ` Aurélien Aptel
2021-03-02 15:11       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-02 16:07         ` Aurélien Aptel
2021-03-03  7:31           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-03 16:02           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-02 20:36     ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03  0:27       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-03  0:42         ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03  8:16       ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-03  9:25         ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03  9:29           ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-03 10:02             ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03 10:11               ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03 10:14                 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-03 11:48                   ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03 10:12       ` Michael Albinus
2021-03-03 10:42         ` Daniel Brooks
2021-03-03 10:49           ` Michael Albinus
2021-03-03 16:12           ` Stefan Monnier

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