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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
Cc: jas@extundo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: eight-bit char handling in emacs-unicode
Date: 21 Nov 2003 00:27:42 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvzneqwbo3.fsf-monnier+emacs/devel@vor.iro.umontreal.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200311210041.JAA18324@etlken.m17n.org>

>> I thought that string-make-unibyte only behaves meaningfully for
>> "normal 8bit coding-systems" such as latin-1.

> Yes, but it doesn't mean it is conceptually the same as
> encode-coding-string.  The result of string-make-unibyte
> should still be regarded as a sequence of character, but the
> result of encode-coding-string is a sequence of byte.

Why/when is the distinction meaningful (given the fact that it
can only be used meaningfully with 8bit coding-systems where the
distinction seems more philosophical than anything else) ?

> Here exists an ambiguity of a unibyte string.

> The number 192 can be regarded as:
> (1) just a number, a byte
> (2) a code point of some character set.
> (3) a character code

But the second case is only possible for 8bit character sets, right?

Until now, I always thought that Emacs only dealt with
- byte streams representing encoded sequences of code points: case 1.
- sequences of internal character codes (internally encoded in emacs-mule
  or unicode depending on the branch you use): case 3.
Is there any place where we deal with sequences of code points of external
charsets really (other than in the degenerate case where such a sequence
is indistinguishable from case 1, maybe).

> A unibyte string can contain (1) and (2) without
> distinguishing them, but a multibyte string can contain (1)
> and (3) while distinguishing them.

Can multibyte strings distinguish the cases (1) and (3) for integer 97 and
character `a' ?


        Stefan

  reply	other threads:[~2003-11-21  5:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-12 16:11 BIG5-HKSCS? Simon Josefsson
2003-11-13  1:53 ` BIG5-HKSCS? Kenichi Handa
2003-11-13  4:14   ` BIG5-HKSCS? Simon Josefsson
2003-11-13  5:34     ` BIG5-HKSCS? Kenichi Handa
2003-11-13  5:50       ` BIG5-HKSCS? Simon Josefsson
2003-11-13  4:49   ` BIG5-HKSCS? Simon Josefsson
2003-11-13  6:10     ` BIG5-HKSCS? Kenichi Handa
2003-11-13  6:51       ` BIG5-HKSCS? Simon Josefsson
2003-11-13  9:01         ` BIG5-HKSCS? Kenichi Handa
2003-11-13 13:29           ` BIG5-HKSCS? Oliver Scholz
2003-11-13 23:40             ` BIG5-HKSCS? Kenichi Handa
2003-11-14 13:35               ` BIG5-HKSCS? Oliver Scholz
2003-11-13 16:34           ` BIG5-HKSCS? Simon Josefsson
2003-11-14  0:47             ` eight-bit char handling in emacs-unicode Kenichi Handa
2003-11-14 13:25               ` Oliver Scholz
2003-11-15  1:09                 ` Kenichi Handa
2003-11-15 10:26                   ` Oliver Scholz
2003-11-15 21:47                     ` Simon Josefsson
2003-11-15  3:04               ` Simon Josefsson
2003-11-16 15:03                 ` Alex Schroeder
2003-11-17 21:17               ` Stefan Monnier
2003-11-18  7:33                 ` Kenichi Handa
2003-11-18 17:12                   ` Stefan Monnier
2003-11-19  0:06                     ` Kenichi Handa
2003-11-19  3:05                       ` Stefan Monnier
2003-11-19 10:46                         ` Juri Linkov
2003-11-19 13:48                           ` Stefan Monnier
2003-11-20 23:41                           ` Kenichi Handa
2003-11-21  0:41                         ` Kenichi Handa
2003-11-21  5:27                           ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2003-11-21  6:27                             ` Kenichi Handa
2003-11-21 14:59                               ` Stefan Monnier
2003-11-22  1:25                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2003-11-22 23:53                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2003-11-23  7:30                                     ` Kenichi Handa
2003-11-23 23:48                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2003-11-25  1:07                                         ` Kenichi Handa
     [not found]                                           ` <jwvfzgcsbuv.fsf-monnier+emacs/devel@vor.iro.umontreal.ca>
2003-11-26  0:07                                             ` Kenichi Handa
2003-11-26 14:14                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2003-11-27  1:34                                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2003-11-27 14:23                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2003-12-01  0:43                                                     ` Kenichi Handa
2003-12-01 16:15                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2003-12-02 13:07                                                         ` Kenichi Handa
2003-12-02 16:06                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2003-11-25  4:28                                         ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                                     ` <jwv7k1gtswz.fsf-monnier+emacs/devel@vor.iro.umontreal.ca>
2003-12-09 21:49                                       ` Richard Stallman
2003-11-15 22:32       ` BIG5-HKSCS? Simon Josefsson
2003-11-17  1:12         ` BIG5-HKSCS? Kenichi Handa
2003-11-17  2:06           ` BIG5-HKSCS? Simon Josefsson
2003-11-17  5:45             ` BIG5-HKSCS? Eli Zaretskii
2003-11-17  7:43               ` BIG5-HKSCS? Simon Josefsson
2003-11-18  7:01                 ` BIG5-HKSCS? Richard Stallman
2003-11-18  8:56                   ` BIG5-HKSCS? Simon Josefsson
2003-11-19  5:15                     ` BIG5-HKSCS? Richard Stallman
2003-11-20  5:48                       ` BIG5-HKSCS? Simon Josefsson
2003-11-20  5:56                         ` BIG5-HKSCS? Eli Zaretskii
2003-11-20  6:20                           ` BIG5-HKSCS? Simon Josefsson

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