From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Leo Liu <sdl.web@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347: * doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macros rather than special forms. (Bug#13853)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:47:35 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvfvyi7hlj.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1d2to2h29.fsf@gmail.com> (Leo Liu's message of "Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:39:58 +0800")
> "special form" is a better term than "macro". It signals the reader that
> the form has special evaluation rule. How the special form is
> implemented is details readers need not care about. Please don't change
> a clearly written text to worse.
Hmm... there's a tension here: the meaning of "special form" in Lisp
excludes macros, so it is formally incorrect to use special form for
"defun" nowadays. So, macro calls are "forms that are special" but are
not "special forms".
Stefan
prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-04-22 14:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <E1UTtCq-0003Tj-Lr@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2013-04-21 12:39 ` /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347: * doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macros rather than special forms. (Bug#13853) Leo Liu
2013-04-21 13:00 ` xfq
2013-04-21 14:00 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-04-21 16:55 ` /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347: *doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macros rather thanspecial " Drew Adams
2013-04-21 17:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-04-21 17:55 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-22 1:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-04-21 18:04 ` Drew Adams
2013-04-21 18:57 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-21 19:40 ` /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347:*doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macros ratherthanspecial " Drew Adams
2013-04-22 1:21 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-22 1:35 ` /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347:*doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi(defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macrosratherthanspecial " Drew Adams
2013-04-22 2:00 ` /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347: *doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macros rather thanspecial " Dmitry Gutov
2013-04-21 18:07 ` /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347: * doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macros rather than special " Glenn Morris
2013-04-21 22:54 ` xfq
2013-04-22 17:02 ` Glenn Morris
2013-04-23 0:47 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-23 16:42 ` Glenn Morris
2013-04-23 22:28 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-22 3:17 ` Leo Liu
2013-04-22 10:31 ` xfq
2013-04-22 14:11 ` Leo Liu
2013-04-22 14:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-04-22 15:37 ` Leo Liu
2013-04-22 14:47 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
List information: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=jwvfvyi7hlj.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org \
--to=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca \
--cc=emacs-devel@gnu.org \
--cc=sdl.web@gmail.com \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this public inbox
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).