From: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>
To: xfq <xfq.free@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347: * doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macros rather than special forms. (Bug#13853)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 13:02:58 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <w7ppxma471.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAF+z6GHxYj02zKkhiWk2N8nKfgGKq3oWtTvXDZYXRB4d+GHhA@mail.gmail.com> (xfq's message of "Mon, 22 Apr 2013 06:54:49 +0800")
> Maybe we can add this sentence to (info "(eintr) defun") or (info
> "(eintr) Complications"), then add a cross reference to (info "(eintr)
> Lisp macro"):
>
> "Macro" is a construct defined in Lisp, which differs from a function in
> that it translates a Lisp expression into another expression which is to
> be evaluated instead of the original expression.
I think a few sentences in "Complications" after the bit about special
forms with a link to the "Lisp macro" section of eintr is indeed all
that is needed. Personally I would say something about it acting like a
function for our [ie, the elisp-intro's] purposes.
>>> -(Another special form, @code{defcustom}, is designed for variables
>>> -that people customize. It has more features than @code{defvar}.
>>> -(@xref{defcustom, , Setting Variables with @code{defcustom}}.)
>>
>> Why was this removed? It could have been simply changed to "Another
>> function,... ". The reference to defcustom is the important thing, not
>> the details of whether it is a special form or macro.
>
> Maybe "another macro"?
For the purposes of the elisp-intro, I have no problem saying a macro is
a function. You call it with arguments and it does stuff. "Another
macro" is wrong because defvar is not a macro. If you want to say macro
rather than function, you need to rewored it a bit more. Eg:
There is a related macro, @code{defcustom}, designed for variables
that people customize. It has more features than @code{defvar}.
(@xref{defcustom, , Setting Variables with @code{defcustom}}.)
> Thanks, I will do it the next time. (Is there anyway to amend this
> commit log?)
No, it's immutable. But no big deal, so don't worry about it.
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2013-04-21 12:39 ` /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347: * doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macros rather than special forms. (Bug#13853) Leo Liu
2013-04-21 13:00 ` xfq
2013-04-21 14:00 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-04-21 16:55 ` /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347: *doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macros rather thanspecial " Drew Adams
2013-04-21 17:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-04-21 17:55 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-22 1:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-04-21 18:04 ` Drew Adams
2013-04-21 18:57 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-21 19:40 ` /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347:*doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macros ratherthanspecial " Drew Adams
2013-04-22 1:21 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-22 1:35 ` /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347:*doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi(defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macrosratherthanspecial " Drew Adams
2013-04-22 2:00 ` /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347: *doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macros rather thanspecial " Dmitry Gutov
2013-04-21 18:07 ` /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347: * doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macros rather than special " Glenn Morris
2013-04-21 22:54 ` xfq
2013-04-22 17:02 ` Glenn Morris [this message]
2013-04-23 0:47 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-23 16:42 ` Glenn Morris
2013-04-23 22:28 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-22 3:17 ` Leo Liu
2013-04-22 10:31 ` xfq
2013-04-22 14:11 ` Leo Liu
2013-04-22 14:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-04-22 15:37 ` Leo Liu
2013-04-22 14:47 ` Stefan Monnier
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