From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347: * doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macros rather than special forms. (Bug#13853) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:47:35 -0400 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1366642309 31394 80.91.229.3 (22 Apr 2013 14:51:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 14:51:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Leo Liu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 22 16:51:53 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UUI5w-0003kB-Ex for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 16:51:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36207 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UUI5w-00037m-5I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:51:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48485) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UUI5s-00033u-E7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:51:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UUI1o-00035E-Np for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:47:50 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:21298) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UUI1o-000359-Hf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:47:36 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EABK/CFHO+LAd/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IfAQVWIxALDiYHCxQYDSSIJMEtkQoDpHqBXoMT X-IPAS-Result: Av4EABK/CFHO+LAd/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IfAQVWIxALDiYHCxQYDSSIJMEtkQoDpHqBXoMT X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="7970838" Original-Received: from 206-248-176-29.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.176.29]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 22 Apr 2013 10:47:31 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 742A167A3A; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:47:35 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Leo Liu's message of "Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:39:58 +0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.182 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:159113 Archived-At: > "special form" is a better term than "macro". It signals the reader that > the form has special evaluation rule. How the special form is > implemented is details readers need not care about. Please don't change > a clearly written text to worse. Hmm... there's a tension here: the meaning of "special form" in Lisp excludes macros, so it is formally incorrect to use special form for "defun" nowadays. So, macro calls are "forms that are special" but are not "special forms". Stefan