From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion) Date: 27 Apr 2004 07:06:20 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <408CF39D.2000201@math.ku.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083065008 2299 80.91.224.253 (27 Apr 2004 11:23:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:23:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lars Hansen , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 27 13:23:17 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BIQgG-0004EJ-00 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:23:16 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BIQgG-0004aa-00 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:23:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BIQeD-0008Lm-K2 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:21:09 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BIQTx-00071t-PW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:10:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BIQRG-0006ge-3N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:07:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [207.245.84.69] (helo=colo.agora-net.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.30) id 1BIQPv-0006Wq-EO; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:06:23 -0400 Original-Received: from ttn by colo.agora-net.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1BIQPs-0005vG-00; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:06:20 -0400 Original-To: David Kastrup In-Reply-To: David Kastrup's message of "27 Apr 2004 11:54:51 +0200" Original-Lines: 36 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22231 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22231 David Kastrup writes: As long as the superuser can't with a good conscience throw Emacs at his users, he is not free to use the editor he prefers. because naked emacs may be seen as an unkindness in some cultures, the crafty superuser throws instead an emacs wrapped in session-, site-, or user-specific customizations. If somebody asks me about a text manipulation problem, and I tell him "just use this one-liner in Emacs" and he says "Forget it. I don't have a week to spare. How do I do this in KEdit?", this ultimately forces me to acquire skills with inferior tools in order to kludge along. or you could write the one-liner into a file, add five lines of comment and/or docstring, and place the file in some shared directory where it can be accessed in the future, and studied and improved as time permits. this can be done by all users. The question "is it really worth it?" should, if possible, not come up again and again. IMHO, that kind of question is always pertinent. the answer may gradually shift from no to yes, as the environment (which includes machines, regular users, and any superusers floating in the vicinity) changes. if the answer does not shift and the superusers floating in the vicinity do not effect change, that says more about those superusers than the question. if the answer shifts from yes to no precisely due to actions of the superusers floating in the vicinity, the situation has degraded into the hell of proprietary software, which is in the case of emacs, ironic, and in any case, sad. thi