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From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>, Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>,
	Nicola Manca <nicola.manca85@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: A new user perspective about "Changes for emacs 28"
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 00:50:23 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b44f46b3-1e81-905c-67f0-4ca922f64c7a@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e6502ed1-1992-4960-ad5d-39b5dcc68f98@default>

On 08.09.2020 00:39, Drew Adams wrote:

>>> So now you're proposing that as the default, instead
>>> of the keybindings you proposed earlier today?
>>
>> Nope. You're welcome to re-read the original message.
> 
> No need to reread it.  But you're welcome to,
> as many times as you like.

I meant my message, the one you replied to.

> (Perhaps you're trying to pick a nit, in that you
> supported that proposal but didn't initiate it.)

Also no.

> Do you think ordinary (non-Emacs) Undo plus
> Redo is superior to Emacs undo, and for that
> reason it should replace it as the default?

It is better controllable. E.g., I can floor 'redo' (or undo-tree-redo) 
and have Emacs quickly reach a buffer state I expected, and go no further.

Being more familiar to new users doesn't hurt either.

The fact that the current Emacs undo is theoretically more powerful 
doesn't matter too much when said power is only accessible via an 
awkward interface.



  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-07 21:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-07 16:45 A new user perspective about "Changes for emacs 28" Nicola Manca
2020-09-07 18:08 ` Ergus
     [not found]   ` <86d02x2yg0.fsf@gmail.com>
2020-09-07 19:59     ` about fido-mode Ergus
2020-09-07 20:44       ` andrés ramírez
2020-09-07 21:09         ` Ergus
2020-09-07 21:18           ` andrés ramírez
     [not found]     ` <87mu21wd3f.fsf@gmail.com>
     [not found]       ` <20200907214104.kapyivsh5y62wcl5@Ergus>
     [not found]         ` <865z8p2qay.fsf@gmail.com>
2020-09-08  8:08           ` Ergus
2020-09-08  9:06             ` andrés ramírez
2020-09-08  9:26               ` Ergus
2020-09-08 16:14                 ` andrés ramírez
2020-09-08 16:25                   ` Ergus
2020-09-09  2:44                     ` andrés ramírez
2020-09-07 20:05   ` A new user perspective about "Changes for emacs 28" Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-07 20:34     ` Drew Adams
2020-09-07 20:46       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-07 21:11         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-07 21:15           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-07 21:39             ` Drew Adams
2020-09-07 21:50               ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2020-09-08  2:54             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-08 11:10               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-08  6:18         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-08 11:07           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-08 14:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08 14:54             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-08 15:14               ` Amin Bandali
2020-09-08 15:53                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-08 16:18                   ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-08 16:28                     ` Ergus
2020-09-08 15:27               ` Óscar Fuentes
2020-09-08 15:36                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08 15:27               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08 16:13                 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-08 16:23                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08 18:00                     ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-09  3:44               ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09 19:01                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-09 19:07                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-09 21:43                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-08 15:02             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-08 15:28               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08 21:31                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-10  7:23                   ` Jack Kamm
2020-09-10 14:52                     ` Howard Melman
2020-09-10 15:01                       ` Jack Kamm
2020-09-10 16:43                         ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2020-09-09  5:03                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-09  8:35                   ` Ergus
2020-09-09  8:41                     ` tomas
2020-09-09 10:00                       ` Ergus
2020-09-09 10:36                         ` tomas
2020-09-09 13:49                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-09 14:36                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-09 15:54                             ` tomas
2020-09-10  2:38                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-10 12:10                             ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11  4:16                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09 18:39                         ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-10 12:28                           ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-09 13:17                     ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-10  2:40                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 10:29                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 11:29                     ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 11:40                       ` Ergus
2020-09-11 14:53                         ` Jack Kamm
2020-09-11 15:03                           ` Ergus
2020-09-11 15:16                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 20:51                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 13:02                             ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-12 13:09                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-13 22:13                                 ` chad
2020-09-13 22:44                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-15  4:34                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-15  6:54                                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-11 12:27                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 15:08                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 20:35                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 13:51                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-11 14:32                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-11 14:59                           ` Jack Kamm
2020-09-12 12:55                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 13:15                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-11 14:37                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-08 16:37     ` Custom Et Al: Build-Up The Underlying Platform was " T.V Raman
2020-09-08 20:40       ` Daniel Martín
2020-09-09  3:51         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09  8:48           ` Tim Cross
2020-09-09 15:53             ` Drew Adams
2020-09-09 16:36               ` Ergus
2020-09-09 16:41                 ` T.V Raman
2020-09-09 17:05                   ` Ergus
2020-09-09 14:32           ` T.V Raman
2020-09-09 18:44             ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-11  4:11             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-07 18:16 ` Ergus

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