From: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, nicola.manca85@gmail.com,
ams@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
drew.adams@oracle.com
Subject: Re: A new user perspective about "Changes for emacs 28"
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 13:29:42 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB4526B986E40AA97F9A70A9E796240@VI1PR06MB4526.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <897b82c2-8ec2-60c0-f5c3-5ab98f79fbd8@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Fri, 11 Sep 2020 13:29:12 +0300")
Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:
> As you can see from the recent messages, a lot of users prefer undo-tree or even
> undo-only+undo-redo rather than the default undo.
Yes, but as I understand the situtaion a lot of users, usually those
that are new to Emacs does not get at the start how Emacs undo works,
and they resort to something simpler they are familiar with.
That is why I suggested to start talking about non-destructive text
editing to emphasize more on how undo feature in Emacs works. I see no
problems with having to different undo-mechanisms either, the original
one, and one simpler. Simpler could work as people are used from other
applications and could be default, and could be disabled by setting some
nil value for some variable so experienced user can use original undo.
Undo tree as a visualisation is very cool feature, and could be one of
unique Emacs features, if it could visualise any undo/redo history. I
don't use undo-tree myself, but I think that graphical representation of
undo history is a cool even if mostly gimmicky.
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2020-09-07 16:45 A new user perspective about "Changes for emacs 28" Nicola Manca
2020-09-07 18:08 ` Ergus
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2020-09-07 19:59 ` about fido-mode Ergus
2020-09-07 20:44 ` andrés ramírez
2020-09-07 21:09 ` Ergus
2020-09-07 21:18 ` andrés ramírez
[not found] ` <87mu21wd3f.fsf@gmail.com>
[not found] ` <20200907214104.kapyivsh5y62wcl5@Ergus>
[not found] ` <865z8p2qay.fsf@gmail.com>
2020-09-08 8:08 ` Ergus
2020-09-08 9:06 ` andrés ramírez
2020-09-08 9:26 ` Ergus
2020-09-08 16:14 ` andrés ramírez
2020-09-08 16:25 ` Ergus
2020-09-09 2:44 ` andrés ramírez
2020-09-07 20:05 ` A new user perspective about "Changes for emacs 28" Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-07 20:34 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-07 20:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-07 21:11 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-07 21:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-07 21:39 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-07 21:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-08 2:54 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-08 11:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-08 6:18 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-08 11:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-08 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08 14:54 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-08 15:14 ` Amin Bandali
2020-09-08 15:53 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-08 16:18 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-08 16:28 ` Ergus
2020-09-08 15:27 ` Óscar Fuentes
2020-09-08 15:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08 15:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08 16:13 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-08 16:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08 18:00 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-09 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09 19:01 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-09 19:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-09 21:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-08 15:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-08 15:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08 21:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-10 7:23 ` Jack Kamm
2020-09-10 14:52 ` Howard Melman
2020-09-10 15:01 ` Jack Kamm
2020-09-10 16:43 ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2020-09-09 5:03 ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-09 8:35 ` Ergus
2020-09-09 8:41 ` tomas
2020-09-09 10:00 ` Ergus
2020-09-09 10:36 ` tomas
2020-09-09 13:49 ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-09 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-09 15:54 ` tomas
2020-09-10 2:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-10 12:10 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 4:16 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09 18:39 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-10 12:28 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-09 13:17 ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-10 2:40 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 10:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 11:29 ` Arthur Miller [this message]
2020-09-11 11:40 ` Ergus
2020-09-11 14:53 ` Jack Kamm
2020-09-11 15:03 ` Ergus
2020-09-11 15:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 20:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 13:02 ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-12 13:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-13 22:13 ` chad
2020-09-13 22:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-15 4:34 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-15 6:54 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-11 12:27 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 15:08 ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 20:35 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 13:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-11 14:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-11 14:59 ` Jack Kamm
2020-09-12 12:55 ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 13:15 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-11 14:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-08 16:37 ` Custom Et Al: Build-Up The Underlying Platform was " T.V Raman
2020-09-08 20:40 ` Daniel Martín
2020-09-09 3:51 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09 8:48 ` Tim Cross
2020-09-09 15:53 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-09 16:36 ` Ergus
2020-09-09 16:41 ` T.V Raman
2020-09-09 17:05 ` Ergus
2020-09-09 14:32 ` T.V Raman
2020-09-09 18:44 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-11 4:11 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-07 18:16 ` Ergus
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