Re: [ELPA] New package: jami-bot and org-jami-bot

[Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>]

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  > >> org-jami-bot builds upon jami-bot and extends it with Org mode capture
  > >> functionality for text messages and images. It allows to schedule agenda
  > >> items at specific dates, compose multi-measure captures and capture
  > >> images -- all by sending a message via the GNU Jami messenger.

When I read that, and looking at it again now. I understand this as
saying that this package is a feature for certain kinds of
communication from Emacs via Jami.  That seems to be the job that the
package does.

By contrast, the connection with Org mode seems to be a secondary
matter -- that this feature interfaces to Emacs: only via Org mode.
At least, that is what these words imply to me.

If that is true, there is a problem here: a feature which could (and
should) be more general has been implemented in a limited way -- to
use the Jami capture feature, you are compelled to do it via Org mode.

It would not be the first time.  There are various other features that
were integrated into Org mode and there is no way to use them from
Emacs except via Org mode.  It is a general design flaw, taking Emacs
overall in a bad direction.

Stefan Kangas said I was mistaken, that this package is not really an
instance of that problem.  Did I get the wrong idea of the package
from the words I cited above?  He said that the Org part was
"trivial".  Maybe my understanding of the description is mistaken.

But it isn't clear yet, because "trivial" can have various gradations.
I could be mistaken, or Stefan and I could be miscommunicating, or
both.  I had better make sure of how things really are.

The right way to implement Jami capture for Emacs is to integrate it
in a general way, which does not depend on Org mode.  Then, if you
like, add another layer to access Jami capture conveniently from Org
mode.  Doing a good job of this means offering the same festures at
the same levels, with or without Org mode,

If this is in fact what has been done, that's fine.  I will be glad to
find that the problem I thought I saw does not exist.  But I should
make sure of this by looking at the code.

Yesterday evening I asked someone to send me or point me at the source
code for org-jami-bot.  (At that time I collected the incoming emails
that arrived yesterday.)  If someone has sent me that info since
yesterday evening, thank you, and I will see that response soon.

Otherwise, would someone please send me the source of org-jami-bot?

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