From: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>
To: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com>
Cc: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
arne_bab@web.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Stability of core packages (was: Not easy at all to upgrade :core packages like Eglot)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 23:58:28 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALDnm50Pb7DqNu3uQ_Y3NQYSc5_MmjJEQ8+HTaxsoxixEoxQrA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d934b591-fee2-4b6e-7506-55fda6da6e3b@gmail.com>
On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:42 PM Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com> wrote:
> > No. Both are absent in Emacs 28.
>
> Yes, but the "U" keybinding is in Emacs 28, which is what I meant there.
>
> > And besides, "U" _also does different things in Emacs 28 and Emacs 29.
> > In 28 it _will_ upgrade Eglot to the latest (so they tell me). But
> > not in Emacs 29.
>
> That depends. If I had previously installed Eglot in 28, and then
> download Emacs 29 and upgrade my packages (without deleting my elpa/
> dir), I'll still get new versions of Eglot from GNU ELPA. I think that
> part works as expected.
Yes it does. Come on, not _everything_ is broken :-)
The bug#62720, reported by me, listed the only workaround
that works identically in Emacs 2*. Just go to the package
menu and press 'I' on the package you want to install. Boom, there
go the ancient safeguards against updating builtin packages.
If you look a bit at the package.el code, you'll see that
all this code goes through different flows etc. All these
safeguards and existing behaviour are more likely to be
be accidental than intentional.
Nevertheless, it is possible to pick one of them to
maintain the same behaviour.
João
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2023-04-18 12:57 ` Stability of core packages (was: Not easy at all to upgrade :core packages like Eglot) Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-18 14:02 ` João Távora
2023-04-18 14:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-18 15:45 ` João Távora
2023-04-18 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-18 17:49 ` João Távora
2023-04-18 21:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-18 18:56 ` Jim Porter
2023-04-18 19:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-18 19:36 ` Jim Porter
2023-04-19 11:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 8:50 ` João Távora
2023-04-19 12:13 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-04-19 17:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 17:21 ` João Távora
2023-04-19 18:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 18:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-19 18:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 19:33 ` João Távora
2023-04-20 4:26 ` tomas
2023-04-19 19:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-19 19:46 ` João Távora
2023-04-19 20:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-19 20:57 ` João Távora
2023-04-19 21:58 ` Jim Porter
2023-04-19 22:29 ` João Távora
2023-04-19 22:42 ` Jim Porter
2023-04-19 22:58 ` João Távora [this message]
2023-04-19 22:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-19 22:21 ` Jim Porter
2023-04-19 22:27 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-19 22:43 ` Jim Porter
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2023-04-19 23:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-20 0:13 ` João Távora
2023-04-20 1:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-20 1:49 ` João Távora
2023-04-20 2:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-19 19:15 ` João Távora
2023-04-20 9:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-20 9:48 ` João Távora
2023-04-20 11:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-20 12:00 ` João Távora
2023-04-20 12:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-20 12:24 ` João Távora
2023-04-19 17:35 ` John Yates
2023-04-19 17:42 ` João Távora
2023-04-19 18:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 18:04 ` Jim Porter
2023-04-19 18:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 19:35 ` Jim Porter
2023-04-20 9:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 19:40 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-04-20 6:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-29 5:21 ` Stability of core packages emacs
2023-04-29 6:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-29 21:47 ` Mohsen BANAN
2023-04-30 6:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-30 9:07 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-30 13:12 ` Corwin Brust
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2023-05-05 4:59 ` David Masterson
2023-04-19 12:55 ` Stability of core packages (was: Not easy at all to upgrade :core packages like Eglot) Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 13:18 ` João Távora
2023-04-19 13:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 14:13 ` João Távora
2023-04-18 22:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-19 8:34 ` João Távora
2023-04-19 12:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 18:22 ` Jim Porter
2023-04-19 18:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 19:32 ` Jim Porter
2023-04-19 22:51 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-20 13:47 ` history of ELPA packages and dependencies (was: Stability of core packages (was: Not easy at all to upgrade :core packages like Eglot)) Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-20 13:58 ` Stability of core packages (was: Not easy at all to upgrade :core packages like Eglot) Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-19 19:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-19 19:40 ` João Távora
2023-04-20 9:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-20 13:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-20 14:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-20 14:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-20 14:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-20 15:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-20 15:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-20 17:26 ` Stability of core packages Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-20 18:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-20 21:25 ` Stability of core packages (was: Not easy at all to upgrade :core packages like Eglot) Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-21 14:12 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-19 12:31 ` What is :core? (was: Stability of core packages (was: Not easy at all to upgrade :core packages like Eglot)) Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-19 12:57 ` João Távora
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