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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
Cc: joaotavora@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Stability of core packages (was: Not easy at all to upgrade :core packages like Eglot)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2023 17:42:20 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <835y9q62er.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <453fdbd2-a29c-5ba6-0e16-21fd8f338f10@gutov.dev> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Thu, 20 Apr 2023 17:22:03 +0300)

> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2023 17:22:03 +0300
> Cc: joaotavora@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> From: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
> 
> > Users who cannot
> > wait until the next bug-fix release, but still want stabil
> > 
> > ity, will be
> > able to upgrade their Eglot to a newer version, provided that we mark
> > some newer version on ELPA "stable" after "N weeks" or so.  Finally,
> > users who want newer Eglot badly and are willing to sacrifice some
> > stability will update to the latest-and-greatest version on ELPA, even
> > if it is not "stable" yet.
> 
> So we seem to agree that the ability to upgrade is important as well.

Yes.

> Whether we're able to transition to a new system with stability tags, 
> etc, is yet to be seen.

Indeed.  In fact, it remains to be seen even if we have a broad-enough
agreement to consider transitioning to such a system a Good Thing.

> The main downsides of this are probably obvious:
> 
> - The development work required.
> - The additional ongoing package maintenance work that is implied by 
> this design.

Agreed.  I just don't see how will we be ever able to move to keeping
core packages only on ELPA if we don't transition to such a system, or
something like it.



  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-20 14:42 UTC|newest]

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2023-04-18 12:57                                                       ` Stability of core packages (was: Not easy at all to upgrade :core packages like Eglot) Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-18 14:02                                                         ` João Távora
2023-04-18 14:47                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-18 15:45                                                             ` João Távora
2023-04-18 16:19                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-18 17:49                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-04-18 21:19                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-18 18:56                                                         ` Jim Porter
2023-04-18 19:21                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-18 19:36                                                             ` Jim Porter
2023-04-19 11:55                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19  8:50                                                           ` João Távora
2023-04-19 12:13                                                             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-04-19 17:03                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 17:21                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-04-19 18:07                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 18:14                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-19 18:32                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 19:33                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-04-20  4:26                                                                           ` tomas
2023-04-19 19:39                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-19 19:46                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-04-19 20:50                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-19 20:57                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-04-19 21:58                                                                                 ` Jim Porter
2023-04-19 22:29                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-04-19 22:42                                                                                     ` Jim Porter
2023-04-19 22:58                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-04-19 22:06                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-19 22:21                                                                                   ` Jim Porter
2023-04-19 22:27                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-19 22:43                                                                                       ` Jim Porter
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2023-04-19 23:25                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-20  0:13                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-04-20  1:13                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-20  1:49                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-04-20  2:04                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-19 19:15                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-04-20  9:38                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-20  9:48                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-04-20 11:47                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-20 12:00                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-04-20 12:16                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-20 12:24                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-04-19 17:35                                                                 ` John Yates
2023-04-19 17:42                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-04-19 18:02                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 18:04                                                                 ` Jim Porter
2023-04-19 18:34                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 19:35                                                                     ` Jim Porter
2023-04-20  9:49                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 19:40                                                                 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-04-20  6:02                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-29  5:21                                                                     ` Stability of core packages emacs
2023-04-29  6:26                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-29 21:47                                                                         ` Mohsen BANAN
2023-04-30  6:21                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-30  9:07                                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-30 13:12                                                                           ` Corwin Brust
2023-05-07  5:58                                                                             ` Mohsen BANAN
2023-05-05  4:36                                                                       ` David Masterson
2023-05-05  4:56                                                                       ` David Masterson
     [not found]                                                                       ` <878re3bdj6.fsf@penguin>
2023-05-05  4:59                                                                         ` David Masterson
2023-04-19 12:55                                                             ` Stability of core packages (was: Not easy at all to upgrade :core packages like Eglot) Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 13:18                                                               ` João Távora
2023-04-19 13:44                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 14:13                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-04-18 22:10                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-19  8:34                                                           ` João Távora
2023-04-19 12:47                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 18:22                                                             ` Jim Porter
2023-04-19 18:37                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 19:32                                                                 ` Jim Porter
2023-04-19 22:51                                                                 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-20 13:47                                                                   ` history of ELPA packages and dependencies (was: Stability of core packages (was: Not easy at all to upgrade :core packages like Eglot)) Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-20 13:58                                                                   ` Stability of core packages (was: Not easy at all to upgrade :core packages like Eglot) Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-19 19:25                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-19 19:40                                                               ` João Távora
2023-04-20  9:47                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-20 13:03                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-20 14:03                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-20 14:22                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-20 14:42                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-04-20 15:30                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-20 15:49                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-20 17:26                                                                             ` Stability of core packages Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-20 18:46                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-20 21:25                                                                             ` Stability of core packages (was: Not easy at all to upgrade :core packages like Eglot) Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-21 14:12                                                                             ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-19 12:31                                                         ` What is :core? (was: Stability of core packages (was: Not easy at all to upgrade :core packages like Eglot)) Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-19 12:57                                                           ` João Távora
2023-04-19 13:03                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii

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