From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
To: "Rudolf Adamkovič" <salutis@me.com>
Cc: Gabriel <gabriel376@hotmail.com>,
Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com>,
Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: On the adoption of transient.el
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2021 11:22:21 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y29hihea.fsf@posteo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2o8ag3okp.fsf@me.com> ("Rudolf Adamkovič"'s message of "Sun, 01 Aug 2021 22:19:34 +0200")
Rudolf Adamkovič <salutis@me.com> writes:
> Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net> writes:
>
>> On the other hand something has always felt off about transient, in
>> the sense that it is breaking some expected behaviour or couldn't
>> pin-point yet, but just unconsciously stumble over.
>
> This is exactly how I feel about the "modern" interfaces in Emacs. I
> reported a bug in Embark recently, and because I could not select and
> copy the text, I ended up re-typing the text that was right in front
> of me in Emacs. Say what? For me, Emacs is a program where I expect to
> never waste time re-typing anything. Magit has a similar feel to it,
> and I can never be sure if the program will allow me to select text in
> the diverse parts of its user interface. In my opinion, such
> uncertainty is bad for power users. I would expect this from Apple or
> Microsoft software, because their latest “UX designers” surely know
> better than anyone, but in Emacs?
I am not sure if this is something specific to modern interfaces, or
rather an overreaching when it comes to binding. After a while I managed
to "pin-point" what was irritating me, and it was the missing ability to
search (something that I seem to do so passively that i didn't even
notice it). Having C-s work is especially useful when there are a lot of
transient options. This cannot be solved by binding C-s manually,
as just because that might work for me, there is some other behaviour
someone else is expecting (eg. your example of selecting and copying
text).
What I understand transient and certain other packages do is basically
override most keys, even those it doesn't use. This is more invasive
than special-mode, that just doesn't bind self-insert-command to most
keys. What I wonder is why this is done/why it might be necessary.
> R+
--
Philip Kaludercic
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Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-07-03 21:13 On the adoption of transient.el Gabriel
2021-07-05 14:24 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-07-05 16:09 ` Gabriel
2021-07-05 17:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-07-05 19:16 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-05 16:50 ` Yuri Khan
2021-07-05 17:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-05 17:29 ` Yuri Khan
2021-07-05 17:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-07-05 18:09 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-08-01 20:19 ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2021-08-01 21:08 ` T.V Raman
2021-08-01 21:24 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-03 13:07 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2021-08-03 20:00 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-14 3:17 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-14 12:54 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-08-14 20:45 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-15 21:57 ` John Yates
2021-08-16 1:05 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-16 1:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-16 2:36 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-01 21:25 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-04 11:22 ` Philip Kaludercic [this message]
2021-08-04 15:56 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-08-04 18:56 ` T.V Raman
2021-08-04 19:57 ` Jesse Millwood
2021-08-04 21:45 ` T.V Raman
2021-08-05 7:01 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-05 8:59 ` Eric S Fraga
2021-08-05 9:23 ` Tim Cross
2021-08-05 10:37 ` Eric S Fraga
2021-08-05 11:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-05 14:45 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-08-05 16:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-05 23:17 ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-06 6:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-06 2:13 ` Phil Sainty
2021-08-05 23:20 ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-06 12:39 ` John Yates
2021-08-06 14:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-06 17:20 ` Omar Polo
2021-08-10 7:22 ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-10 10:32 ` John Yates
2021-08-08 1:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-10 7:15 ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-10 12:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-11 6:58 ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-13 3:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-08 1:42 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-08-10 7:18 ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-10 8:16 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-08-11 6:56 ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-05 9:38 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-05 9:51 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-08-05 14:33 ` T.V Raman
2021-08-05 14:55 ` Eric S Fraga
2021-08-05 15:05 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-06 23:02 ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2021-08-07 2:03 ` T.V Raman
2021-08-07 3:15 ` Phil Sainty
2021-08-07 10:19 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2021-08-07 15:42 ` T.V Raman
2021-07-05 19:51 ` Jim Porter
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-07-31 9:08 Manuel Uberti
2022-07-31 13:25 ` T.V Raman
2022-07-31 20:03 ` Juri Linkov
2022-08-21 16:04 ` Juri Linkov
2022-08-01 3:32 ` Richard Stallman
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