From: "T.V Raman" <raman@google.com>
To: salutis@me.com
Cc: raman@google.com, philipk@posteo.net, gabriel376@hotmail.com,
yuri.v.khan@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: On the adoption of transient.el
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 19:03:32 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <24845.59892.189948.567676@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2czqqb2iz.fsf@me.com>
yes, the transient window is special in that it is "never current" but
visible --- I too dont like that behavior but live with it because it
supposedly enhances the visible interface (what do I know, I dont look
at the screen:-))
Rudolf Adamkovič writes:
> This is useful, thank you! C-n/C-p and C-s/C-r solved. Selection
> with C-SPC still does not work, e.g. one still cannot copy some
> text for a bug report or personal notes. Further, and I forgot to
> mention this in my original message, the new transient UI renders
> the help system, such as the glorious C-h k, useless. Not being
> able to copy text or describe all keys is not what I expect to see
> in the official parts of vanilla Emacs.
>
> R+
>
> "T.V Raman" <raman@google.com> writes:
>
> > Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net> writes:
> >
> > I recently discovered thanks to the transient/magit author that
> > once you
> > enable navigation via arrows in transient popups, it also gives
> > you isearch of the transient. We then discovered a bug where
> > using isearch to find a transient option and pressing enter
> > wasn't working, but Jonas has since fixed that and it works.
> > transient-enable-popup-navigation is a variable defined in
> > ‘transient.el’.
> >
> > Its value is t Original value was nil
> >
> > You can customize this variable. This variable was
> > introduced, or its default value was changed, in version 0.2.0
> > of the transient package.
> >
> > Whether navigation commands are enabled in the transient popup.
> >
> > While a transient is active the transient popup buffer is not
> > the current buffer, making it necessary to use dedicated
> > commands to act on that buffer itself. If this non-nil, then
> > the following features are available:
> >
> > - "<up>" moves the cursor to the previous suffix.
> > "<down>" moves the cursor to the next suffix. "RET" invokes
> > the suffix the cursor is on.
> > - "<mouse-1>" invokes the clicked on suffix. - "C-s" and "C-r"
> > start isearch in the popup buffer.
> >
> >> Rudolf Adamkovič <salutis@me.com> writes:
> >>
> >>> Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net> writes:
> >>>
> >>>> On the other hand something has always felt off about
> >>>> transient, in the sense that it is breaking some expected
> >>>> behaviour or couldn't pin-point yet, but just unconsciously
> >>>> stumble over.
> >>>
> >>> This is exactly how I feel about the "modern" interfaces in
> >>> Emacs. I reported a bug in Embark recently, and because I
> >>> could not select and copy the text, I ended up re-typing the
> >>> text that was right in front of me in Emacs. Say what? For me,
> >>> Emacs is a program where I expect to never waste time
> >>> re-typing anything. Magit has a similar feel to it, and I can
> >>> never be sure if the program will allow me to select text in
> >>> the diverse parts of its user interface. In my opinion, such
> >>> uncertainty is bad for power users. I would expect this from
> >>> Apple or Microsoft software, because their latest “UX
> >>> designers” surely know better than anyone, but in Emacs?
> >>
> >> I am not sure if this is something specific to modern
> >> interfaces, or rather an overreaching when it comes to binding.
> >> After a while I managed to "pin-point" what was irritating me,
> >> and it was the missing ability to search (something that I seem
> >> to do so passively that i didn't even notice it). Having C-s
> >> work is especially useful when there are a lot of transient
> >> options. This cannot be solved by binding C-s manually, as just
> >> because that might work for me, there is some other behaviour
> >> someone else is expecting (eg. your example of selecting and
> >> copying text).
> >>
> >> What I understand transient and certain other packages do is
> >> basically override most keys, even those it doesn't use. This
> >> is more invasive than special-mode, that just doesn't bind
> >> self-insert-command to most keys. What I wonder is why this is
> >> done/why it might be necessary.
> >>
> >>> R+
> >
> > --
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research) ♈ Id:
> > kg:/m/0285kf1 🦮
>
> --
> "Contrariwise," continued Tweedledee, "if it was so, it might be;
> and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's
> logic." -- Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass Rudolf
> Adamkovič <salutis@me.com> Studenohorská 25 84103 Bratislava
> Slovakia [he/him]
--
Thanks,
--Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research)
♉ Id: kg:/m/0285kf1 🦮
--
Thanks,
--Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research)
♉ Id: kg:/m/0285kf1 🦮
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-08-07 2:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-07-03 21:13 On the adoption of transient.el Gabriel
2021-07-05 14:24 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-07-05 16:09 ` Gabriel
2021-07-05 17:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-07-05 19:16 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-05 16:50 ` Yuri Khan
2021-07-05 17:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-05 17:29 ` Yuri Khan
2021-07-05 17:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-07-05 18:09 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-08-01 20:19 ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2021-08-01 21:08 ` T.V Raman
2021-08-01 21:24 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-03 13:07 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2021-08-03 20:00 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-14 3:17 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-14 12:54 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-08-14 20:45 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-15 21:57 ` John Yates
2021-08-16 1:05 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-16 1:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-16 2:36 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-01 21:25 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-04 11:22 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-08-04 15:56 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-08-04 18:56 ` T.V Raman
2021-08-04 19:57 ` Jesse Millwood
2021-08-04 21:45 ` T.V Raman
2021-08-05 7:01 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-05 8:59 ` Eric S Fraga
2021-08-05 9:23 ` Tim Cross
2021-08-05 10:37 ` Eric S Fraga
2021-08-05 11:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-05 14:45 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-08-05 16:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-05 23:17 ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-06 6:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-06 2:13 ` Phil Sainty
2021-08-05 23:20 ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-06 12:39 ` John Yates
2021-08-06 14:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-06 17:20 ` Omar Polo
2021-08-10 7:22 ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-10 10:32 ` John Yates
2021-08-08 1:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-10 7:15 ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-10 12:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-11 6:58 ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-13 3:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-08 1:42 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-08-10 7:18 ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-10 8:16 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-08-11 6:56 ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-05 9:38 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-05 9:51 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-08-05 14:33 ` T.V Raman
2021-08-05 14:55 ` Eric S Fraga
2021-08-05 15:05 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-06 23:02 ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2021-08-07 2:03 ` T.V Raman [this message]
2021-08-07 3:15 ` Phil Sainty
2021-08-07 10:19 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2021-08-07 15:42 ` T.V Raman
2021-07-05 19:51 ` Jim Porter
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-07-31 9:08 Manuel Uberti
2022-07-31 13:25 ` T.V Raman
2022-07-31 20:03 ` Juri Linkov
2022-08-21 16:04 ` Juri Linkov
2022-08-01 3:32 ` Richard Stallman
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