From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: bzg@gnu.org, yantar92@gmail.com, theophilusx@gmail.com,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Org mode and Emacs
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 09:44:08 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ttsvmknr.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83sf8fz8kn.fsf@gnu.org>
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> This may be true in general, but not for Org development.
>> People contributing to the Org manual are expected to understand Org
>> markup. So, it is Texinfo that becomes the new language to learn and
>> that creates an extra contribution barrier.
>
> If the idea is that the main contributors to the Org documentation are
> Org users, and the rest of Emacs developers don't really count for
> this purpose, then why did you count the contributions of the latter
> to begin with? they should be immaterial for you, AFAIU.
They are not immaterial. The work contributed to Org manual by Emacs
devs, even if small, is certainly appreciated. However, decision to
switch back to .texi is a major one and will affect all the
contributors, not just Emacs devs. Thus, I am trying to weight the
overall impact on the _Org_ development and maintenance.
I looked into git logs specifically to see the contribution pattern of
Emacs developers and whether it was influenced by switching from .texi
to .org. I only found that Texinfo markup-related contributions
disappeared (naturally). Other contributions remained at their levels:
typo fixes and enforcing Emacs-wide terminology and wording standards.
Neither typo fixes nor enforcing certain terminology uses are limited by
the fact that Org manual is not in .texi format. (Correct me if I am
wrong).
On the other hand, people contributing non-trivial patches for Org
manual should naturally be familiar with Org mode. So, using Org markup
should not be a handicap for them, while forcing texinfo may sometimes
be.
That's why, not disregarding Emacs dev contributions, I do not see what
positive change switching back to .texi would bring to Org development.
--
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
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2022-09-25 2:52 Org mode and Emacs Payas Relekar
2022-09-25 6:35 ` Bastien
2022-09-25 7:05 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25 7:47 ` Bastien
2022-09-25 8:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25 8:22 ` Bastien Guerry
2022-09-25 8:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-25 19:47 ` Tim Cross
2022-09-26 6:12 ` Bastien
2022-09-26 6:35 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-26 6:57 ` Bastien
2023-08-18 17:09 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-18 18:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-18 18:49 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-18 19:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-18 19:31 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-19 5:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-19 9:04 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-19 9:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-19 9:44 ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2023-08-19 10:19 ` Po Lu
2023-08-19 10:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-19 10:48 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-19 10:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-19 10:54 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21 1:12 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-21 7:56 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-23 2:12 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-23 9:44 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-23 11:01 ` Colin Baxter
2023-08-23 11:12 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-23 12:49 ` Po Lu
2023-08-23 17:18 ` Colin Baxter
2023-08-23 17:47 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-23 18:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-23 18:08 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-23 18:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-23 18:36 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-23 18:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-23 18:50 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-25 1:11 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-23 16:53 ` Colin Baxter
2023-08-23 17:56 ` Tassilo Horn
2023-08-24 11:52 ` Bastien Guerry
2023-08-24 17:51 ` T.V Raman
2023-08-24 17:55 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-24 18:35 ` T.V Raman
2023-08-25 1:16 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-25 11:45 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-25 1:14 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-25 9:04 ` Bastien Guerry
2023-08-25 18:56 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-26 10:46 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-31 2:09 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-31 8:50 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-26 2:04 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-26 5:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-26 16:49 ` Jose E. Marchesi
2023-08-26 16:56 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-26 20:28 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-26 20:58 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-30 8:11 ` Bastien Guerry
2023-08-27 1:32 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-27 8:32 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-28 1:32 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-29 8:29 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-01 1:18 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-01 6:46 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-04 1:32 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-04 22:05 ` Juergen Fenn
2023-09-05 11:04 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-06 0:58 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-06 11:29 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-06 12:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-06 12:43 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-06 12:49 ` Po Lu
2023-09-06 12:54 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-06 13:04 ` Po Lu
2023-09-06 13:10 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-06 13:33 ` Po Lu
2023-09-06 15:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-06 13:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-06 13:20 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-06 15:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-06 16:12 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-06 16:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-07 11:11 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-10 0:22 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-09 0:37 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-09 9:36 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-10 0:22 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-09 0:38 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-30 8:11 ` Bastien Guerry
2023-09-02 1:50 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-02 8:19 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-02 8:30 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-08-27 1:32 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-27 8:35 ` Ihor Radchenko
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2023-08-31 2:09 ` Richard Stallman
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2023-09-04 1:33 ` Richard Stallman
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2022-09-26 6:36 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-26 6:18 ` Bastien
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