From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 09:23:24 +0200 Message-ID: <87oatj2hoz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <54193A70.9020901@member.fsf.org> <87h9ztm5oa.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87d2ahm3nw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871tqneyvl.fsf@netris.org> <87d2a54t1m.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <83lhotme1e.fsf@gnu.org> <871tql17uw.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <838uktm9gw.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9zgarvp.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83y4srjaot.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3yhiu8c.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3yg9bpu.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1413015811 10046 80.91.229.3 (11 Oct 2014 08:23:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 08:23:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: mhw@netris.org, dmantipov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, handa@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, Eli Zaretskii , stephen@xemacs.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 11 10:23:21 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XcrxQ-00037z-Pa for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:23:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53364 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XcrxQ-0008ML-D2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 04:23:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43428) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xcrx8-0008Hf-Hs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 04:23:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xcrx7-0005NK-LA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 04:23:02 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:43173) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xcrx7-0005N6-JI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 04:23:01 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50342 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xcrwr-0004LJ-Sr; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 04:22:46 -0400 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C2833E0C3C; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 09:23:24 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri, 10 Oct 2014 21:17:15 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175253 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > There are many ways for two different designs to be "similar". They > are also different. The details are crucial for users' reactions. I > think the people who objected to those behaviors, which involved > changing the file contents, might not mind the confirmation much. That kind of choice would require the assumption that any file operation (and any other encoding/decoding action) is an immediate, direct, and obvious consequence of a user interaction with Emacs. That is not the case, and it has never been. And even where it is the case, there is nothing to be gained by letting Emacs refuse viewing files. -- David Kastrup