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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
Subject: Re: Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 00:10:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <85fyxhcff8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87oec5p5rq.fsf@xs4all.nl> (Lute Kamstra's message of "Sat, 23 Apr 2005 23:00:57 +0200")

Lute Kamstra <Lute.Kamstra.lists@xs4all.nl> writes:

> David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> The function that _clearly_ should trigger/use the recorded
>> information, however, is "require".
>
> Agreed.
>
>> I don't think we need to make (load "filename") (unload-feature
>>'filename) do anything sensible (and indeed it is legal to load the
>>same file several times in succession), but it seems desirable to
>>have (require 'filename) (unload-feature 'filename) form a proper
>>pair.
>
> I'm not sure if it's the best solution not to let (load "filename")
> record autoloads.

Well, the idea explored a bit later later was that "load" will record
autoloads, but not do anything with them by itself, instead letting
"provide" handle it.

> But letting only (require 'filename) record autoloads would be a big
> improvement.  My guess is that the vast majority of files get loaded
> by do_autoload and Frequire.  Furthermore, it seems quite easy to
> implement the recording of autoloads in Frequire.  I'll give it a
> try and experiment with it for a while...
>
>> Unfortunately, this does not work well with the site-lisp.el
>> construct
>> (mapc 'load-file (directory-files "site-start.d" t ".el\\'"))
>>
>> So a better expedient would be to have
>> (provide 'xxx)
>>
>> turn on the necessary action at the end of the current load file in
>> case that the feature is provided the first time.
>>
>> This should be a pretty reliable way to do the recordings for files
>> that are connected with a "feature".
>
> I'm not familiar with this.  Could you elaborate?

Many Emacs installations have a site-lisp/site-start.d directory.  If
you want some code executed automatically (usually a bunch of
autoloads), then you'll drop the .el file in that directory.

> When is this used?  Does it load files that define functions that
> replace autoloads?

I guess the most common case would be loading files that _place_
autoloads and add stuff to hook functions.

And it usually is a bunch of stuff that the system administrator
thought good for you.  For example, if you install a prepackaged
foobar package from your favorite distribution, then this will drop
foobar.el into site-lisp/site-start.d/ and foobar.el will then setup
the package foobar with autoloads and similar.

If the wisdom of the system provider did not match your personal
tastes, being able to (unload-feature 'foobar) would be definitely
nice.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-23 22:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-19 15:23 Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist Lute Kamstra
2005-04-19 16:25 ` David Kastrup
2005-04-19 17:44   ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-19 21:28     ` David Kastrup
2005-04-19 21:58       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-19 22:33         ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 18:52           ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-24 20:24             ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-24 20:50               ` David Kastrup
2005-04-24 21:51                 ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-24 22:00                   ` David Kastrup
2005-04-24 23:37                     ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-25  0:07                       ` David Kastrup
2005-04-26 10:04                       ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-20 19:22           ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-19 23:01         ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-19 23:14         ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-19 23:24           ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 18:41             ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 19:00               ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 19:18                 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 19:50                   ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 19:29               ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-20 14:57           ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-20 15:59             ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-21 15:30               ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-21 16:35                 ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-22 20:51                   ` David Kastrup
2005-04-23 21:00                     ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-23 22:10                       ` David Kastrup [this message]
2005-04-24 20:21                         ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-24 20:32                           ` David Kastrup
2005-04-24 20:52                             ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-25 16:05                             ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-23 22:24                     ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-20 14:57         ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-20 15:02           ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 15:57             ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 18:37               ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 19:19                 ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 20:11                   ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 20:25                     ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 20:57                       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 21:33                         ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 16:25             ` Andreas Schwab
2005-04-20 16:57               ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 22:47                 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-04-20 22:58                   ` David Kastrup
2005-04-21  9:56                     ` Andreas Schwab
2005-04-21 10:12                       ` David Kastrup
2005-04-21 11:50                         ` Andreas Schwab
2005-04-21 19:56                         ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-21 20:13                           ` David Kastrup
2005-04-23 16:15                             ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-23 16:23                               ` David Kastrup
2005-04-23 16:15                           ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-21 11:41                       ` Johan Vromans
2005-04-20 15:43           ` David Kastrup
2005-04-21 15:30             ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-21 17:46               ` David Kastrup
2005-04-23 16:15                 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-19 22:00       ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-19 23:22       ` Andreas Schwab
2005-04-19 23:33         ` David Kastrup
2005-04-19 21:05   ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-20 14:57     ` Richard Stallman

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