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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 00:00:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <857jirrg1f.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87is2balna.fsf@xs4all.nl> (Lute Kamstra's message of "Sun, 24 Apr 2005 23:51:37 +0200")

Lute Kamstra <Lute.Kamstra.lists@xs4all.nl> writes:

> David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Lute Kamstra <Lute.Kamstra.lists@xs4all.nl> writes:
>>
>>> Consider the following situation:
>>>
>>> function 'a is autoloaded: (autoload "blabla" ...).
>>> function 'b is autoloaded: (autoload "other" ...).
>>> function 'c is defined.
>>> function 'd is unbound.
>>>
>>> "blabla" defines 'a, 'b, 'c, and 'd as functions.
>>>
>>> Do (require 'blabla) and then (unload-feature 'blabla).
>>>
>>> Currently, all four functions will be unbound by unload-feature.
>>> You propose to let unload-feature restore both 'a and 'b to their
>>> previous autoloads [1].
>>
>> Sure.
>>
>>> But what should be done with 'c?
>>>
>>> I think restoring 'c to its previous definition would be the right
>>> thing to do.
>>
>> Not at all.  The purpose of unload-feature is to be able to restore
>> a state, most particular to conserve memory.  So unload-feature
>> should not waste memory by keeping in effect a history of load
>> sequences around.  Its purpose should be confined to unloading
>> those features that _can_ reasonably be unloaded.  And that means
>> no functions whatsoever that _redefine_ stuff.  The main purpose of
>> the autoload restoration is to restore autoloads into the package
>> itself, not foreign autoloads.
>
> For me, it is most intuitive/logical that unload-feature tries to
> undo the effects of loading the feature.

If it can.

> It is very uncommon that a feature redefines a function (or a
> variable), so keeping track of such cases will not waste much
> memory.

But it is very common that one loads and evals one and the same file
over and over.  We don't want to keep a history of that.

>> I think that unload-feature should in the case of c being redefined
>> simply barf and refuse to unload the feature.
>
> That's quite extreme.  And it would require you too keep track of
> redefinitions.

Of the fact that they happened.  That is about one cons cell worth of
data.  Old definitions, in contrast, can take any amount of data.

> Why not use that tracking machinery to just restore these rare
> cases?

They don't seem exactly rare to me.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-24 22:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-19 15:23 Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist Lute Kamstra
2005-04-19 16:25 ` David Kastrup
2005-04-19 17:44   ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-19 21:28     ` David Kastrup
2005-04-19 21:58       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-19 22:33         ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 18:52           ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-24 20:24             ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-24 20:50               ` David Kastrup
2005-04-24 21:51                 ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-24 22:00                   ` David Kastrup [this message]
2005-04-24 23:37                     ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-25  0:07                       ` David Kastrup
2005-04-26 10:04                       ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-20 19:22           ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-19 23:01         ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-19 23:14         ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-19 23:24           ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 18:41             ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 19:00               ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 19:18                 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 19:50                   ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 19:29               ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-20 14:57           ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-20 15:59             ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-21 15:30               ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-21 16:35                 ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-22 20:51                   ` David Kastrup
2005-04-23 21:00                     ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-23 22:10                       ` David Kastrup
2005-04-24 20:21                         ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-24 20:32                           ` David Kastrup
2005-04-24 20:52                             ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-25 16:05                             ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-23 22:24                     ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-20 14:57         ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-20 15:02           ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 15:57             ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 18:37               ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 19:19                 ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 20:11                   ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 20:25                     ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 20:57                       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 21:33                         ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 16:25             ` Andreas Schwab
2005-04-20 16:57               ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 22:47                 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-04-20 22:58                   ` David Kastrup
2005-04-21  9:56                     ` Andreas Schwab
2005-04-21 10:12                       ` David Kastrup
2005-04-21 11:50                         ` Andreas Schwab
2005-04-21 19:56                         ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-21 20:13                           ` David Kastrup
2005-04-23 16:15                             ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-23 16:23                               ` David Kastrup
2005-04-23 16:15                           ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-21 11:41                       ` Johan Vromans
2005-04-20 15:43           ` David Kastrup
2005-04-21 15:30             ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-21 17:46               ` David Kastrup
2005-04-23 16:15                 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-19 22:00       ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-19 23:22       ` Andreas Schwab
2005-04-19 23:33         ` David Kastrup
2005-04-19 21:05   ` Lute Kamstra
2005-04-20 14:57     ` Richard Stallman

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