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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: libnettle/libhogweed WIP
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 23:36:18 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83bmrqbyv1.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83h91ic0mm.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Thu, 20 Apr 2017 22:58:09 +0300)

> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 22:58:09 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> Gnus us full of such problems because some Gnus contributors tried to
> fix problems with non-ASCII text without understanding what they are
> doing and how this stuff should work

Ouch, this sounds unfair, which is not what I meant.  So let me
elaborate a bit to explain myself.

Gnus bumped into issues with non-ASCII text when the core
functionality was still in diapers, and had quite a few bugs, both
design bugs and implementation bugs.  Gnus developers wanted to fix
those bugs, but instead of taking them up with core developers and
demanding that the problems be fixed in core, they worked around the
problems in Gnus application code.  The fact that Gnus was developed
with only a very lose coupling to Emacs didn't help.  Then those
workarounds were kept intact long after the core issues were fixed or
redesigned.  The result was what you describe.

IMO, none of this is relevant to the issue at hand, since we are
talking about core functionality to begin with.



  reply	other threads:[~2017-04-20 20:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-20 10:00 How to ship native modules? Elias Mårtenson
2017-02-20 15:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-20 16:01   ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-02-20 16:30     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-21  2:48       ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-02-21  3:41         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-21  4:13           ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-02-21 16:48             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-21 20:06               ` John Wiegley
2017-02-21 14:44       ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]         ` <CADtN0WLjNcFRLCsJNZX+XfqOcq+veTaoGkwHQCV9bjvuQoEORA@mail.gmail.com>
2017-02-21 15:48           ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-02-21 17:14             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-21 16:59         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-02 14:59   ` request to reconsider libnettle/libhogweed (was: How to ship native modules?) Ted Zlatanov
2017-03-02 15:19     ` request to reconsider libnettle/libhogweed Stefan Monnier
2017-03-02 15:55     ` request to reconsider libnettle/libhogweed (was: How to ship native modules?) Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-15 21:19       ` libnettle/libhogweed WIP (was: request to reconsider libnettle/libhogweed) Ted Zlatanov
2017-03-16 15:28         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-17 22:46           ` libnettle/libhogweed WIP Ted Zlatanov
2017-03-18  8:12             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-20 18:45           ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-11 20:05           ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-14 20:48             ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-15  9:32               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-15 14:27                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-15 14:55                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-16  2:39                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-16  6:25                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-16  6:51                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-17 16:23                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-17 16:34                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-17 16:55                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-17 17:11                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-17 17:34                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-17 17:46                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-17 18:11                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-17 20:50                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-17 21:19                                 ` Noam Postavsky
2017-04-17 23:29                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-19  2:08                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-19  2:42                                       ` Noam Postavsky
2017-04-19 15:24                                       ` Davis Herring
2017-04-19 15:45                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-20 17:24                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-20 19:38                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-20 20:24                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-20 20:42                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-04-20 21:54                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-21  6:21                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-21 18:45                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-04-21 19:15                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-21  6:14                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-15 21:55                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-05-16 22:19                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-05-17 16:22                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-17 20:05                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-05-31 18:17                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-06-03  7:23                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-03  9:00                                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-03 10:01                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-03 10:09                                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-03 10:47                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-27 22:58                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-06-28 16:54                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-28 19:44                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-13 18:35                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-14 15:10                                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-14 19:04                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-14 19:43                                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-14 20:04                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-15 18:30                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-15  9:15                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-15 18:40                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-15 19:12                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-22  9:10                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-26  6:58                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-26 14:52                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-26 15:34                                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-26 15:49                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-26 16:08                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-26 18:51                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-26 20:48                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-27  0:19                                                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2017-07-27  2:34                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-27  4:36                                                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2017-07-27 15:56                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-08-03 19:52                                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-08-03  8:02                                                                                         ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-03 16:49                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-18 17:44                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-19 12:22                               ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-19 13:38                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-19 14:16                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-04-19 14:48                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-19 14:41                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-19 14:54                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-19 15:31                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-19 15:48                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-19 16:49                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-04-19 17:24                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-19 19:53                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-20  2:30                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-20  3:36                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-20 15:46                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-20 15:59                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-04-20 16:24                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-20 17:25                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-20 19:40                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-04-20 20:31                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-20 19:58                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-20 20:36                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2017-04-20 17:14                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-20 19:29                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-19 19:49                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-17 16:00                       ` rename STRING_SET_CHARS to STRING_SET_SIZE (was: libnettle/libhogweed WIP) Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-17 16:24                         ` rename STRING_SET_CHARS to STRING_SET_SIZE Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-17 16:29                         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-17 16:34                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-16  3:37                     ` libnettle/libhogweed WIP Stefan Monnier
2017-04-16  6:19                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-16 13:20                         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-16  7:47               ` Toon Claes
2017-03-02 17:58     ` request to reconsider libnettle/libhogweed Paul Eggert
2017-03-02 18:33       ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-02-20 15:33 ` How to ship native modules? Aurélien Aptel
2017-02-21  4:50 ` Andreas Politz
2017-02-21  5:12   ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-02-21  5:23     ` Andreas Politz

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