From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: libnettle/libhogweed WIP
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 22:58:09 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83h91ic0mm.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvinlzvvzk.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org> (message from Stefan Monnier on Thu, 20 Apr 2017 13:25:43 -0400)
> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 13:25:43 -0400
>
> > You can have predictability if you bind coding-system-for-write to
> > whatever you want.
>
> Why would the casual coder do that?
Casual coders won't. And why should they?
> He'll just call the primitive, see
> that it works for his use-case and not even realize that there's some
> encoding/decoding, encouraging him along to way to overlook the big
> difference between strings of chars and strings of bytes.
I don't see any problem with that. Perhaps you could try explaining
why you think there's a problem in this scenario. E.g., compare:
. a C program reads a file encoded in Latin-1 and passes the text it
read to a function that encrypts it
and
. an Emacs Lisp program reads a file encoded in Latin-1 into a
buffer, then passes that buffer to a function that encrypts it
How are these two different, from the user's POV? If they are not
different, then in the 2nd case encoding the buffer in Latin-1 before
passing the bytes to GnuTLS is TRT.
> Lars understands this very well because Gnus's code is full of such
> problems.
Gnus us full of such problems because some Gnus contributors tried to
fix problems with non-ASCII text without understanding what they are
doing and how this stuff should work, and also because Gnus messes too
much with unibyte text. Let's "learn from past mistakes" and not do
this with these new functions.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-04-20 19:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-02-20 10:00 How to ship native modules? Elias Mårtenson
2017-02-20 15:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-20 16:01 ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-02-20 16:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-21 2:48 ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-02-21 3:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-21 4:13 ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-02-21 16:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-21 20:06 ` John Wiegley
2017-02-21 14:44 ` Stefan Monnier
[not found] ` <CADtN0WLjNcFRLCsJNZX+XfqOcq+veTaoGkwHQCV9bjvuQoEORA@mail.gmail.com>
2017-02-21 15:48 ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-02-21 17:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-21 16:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-02 14:59 ` request to reconsider libnettle/libhogweed (was: How to ship native modules?) Ted Zlatanov
2017-03-02 15:19 ` request to reconsider libnettle/libhogweed Stefan Monnier
2017-03-02 15:55 ` request to reconsider libnettle/libhogweed (was: How to ship native modules?) Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-15 21:19 ` libnettle/libhogweed WIP (was: request to reconsider libnettle/libhogweed) Ted Zlatanov
2017-03-16 15:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-17 22:46 ` libnettle/libhogweed WIP Ted Zlatanov
2017-03-18 8:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-20 18:45 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-11 20:05 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-14 20:48 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-15 9:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-15 14:27 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-15 14:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-16 2:39 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-16 6:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-16 6:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-17 16:23 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-17 16:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-17 16:55 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-17 17:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-17 17:34 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-17 17:46 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-17 18:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-17 20:50 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-17 21:19 ` Noam Postavsky
2017-04-17 23:29 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-19 2:08 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-19 2:42 ` Noam Postavsky
2017-04-19 15:24 ` Davis Herring
2017-04-19 15:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-20 17:24 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-20 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-20 20:24 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-20 20:42 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-04-20 21:54 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-21 6:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-21 18:45 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-04-21 19:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-21 6:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-15 21:55 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-05-16 22:19 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-05-17 16:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-17 20:05 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-05-31 18:17 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-06-03 7:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-03 9:00 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-03 10:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-03 10:09 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-03 10:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-27 22:58 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-06-28 16:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-28 19:44 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-13 18:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-14 15:10 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-14 19:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-14 19:43 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-14 20:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-15 18:30 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-15 9:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-15 18:40 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-15 19:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-22 9:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-26 6:58 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-26 14:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-26 15:34 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-26 15:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-26 16:08 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-26 18:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-26 20:48 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-27 0:19 ` Paul Eggert
2017-07-27 2:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-27 4:36 ` Paul Eggert
2017-07-27 15:56 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-08-03 19:52 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-08-03 8:02 ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-03 16:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-18 17:44 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-19 12:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-19 13:38 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-19 14:16 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-04-19 14:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-19 14:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-19 14:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-19 15:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-19 15:48 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-19 16:49 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-04-19 17:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-19 19:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-20 2:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-20 3:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-20 15:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-20 15:59 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-04-20 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-20 17:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-20 19:40 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-04-20 20:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-20 19:58 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2017-04-20 20:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-20 17:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-20 19:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-19 19:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-17 16:00 ` rename STRING_SET_CHARS to STRING_SET_SIZE (was: libnettle/libhogweed WIP) Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-17 16:24 ` rename STRING_SET_CHARS to STRING_SET_SIZE Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-17 16:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-17 16:34 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-16 3:37 ` libnettle/libhogweed WIP Stefan Monnier
2017-04-16 6:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-16 13:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-16 7:47 ` Toon Claes
2017-03-02 17:58 ` request to reconsider libnettle/libhogweed Paul Eggert
2017-03-02 18:33 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-02-20 15:33 ` How to ship native modules? Aurélien Aptel
2017-02-21 4:50 ` Andreas Politz
2017-02-21 5:12 ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-02-21 5:23 ` Andreas Politz
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