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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: libnettle/libhogweed WIP
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 19:24:14 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83mvbbavyp.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3tw5j3w94.fsf@stories> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Thu,  20 Apr 2017 17:59:51 +0200)

> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 17:59:51 +0200
> 
> These are encryption primitives.  Stuffing code that guesses What I Mean
> into these primitives doesn't seem like the most productive way to
> proceed.  If somebody later wants to add a DWIM framework on top of
> these primitives (to, say, automatically encrypt everything that Emacs
> saves), that's a different thing.
> 
> But the primitives themselves should, in my opinion, be functional and
> predictable: You give them explicit inputs and you always get the same
> result back.

You can have predictability if you bind coding-system-for-write to
whatever you want.  Just like you do with file and process I/O.

> Encryption is also often used in conjunction with various protocols, and
> (as opposed to saving files locally) the local user's preferences are
> irrelevant to how the octets are supposed to be encoded on the wire.

How is this different from sending the stiff unencrypted via the same
protocols?

Once again, please tell why the considerations you raise do NOT apply
to write-region, insert-file-contents, send-string etc., because if
they do apply, we already have very reasonable solutions for them,
which are well-tested by time and many users.  In the I/O department,
experience shows that most users and programmers don't want/need this
level of control, so the heuristics that does TRT without burdening
users/programmers is a Good Thing.



  reply	other threads:[~2017-04-20 16:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-20 10:00 How to ship native modules? Elias Mårtenson
2017-02-20 15:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-20 16:01   ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-02-20 16:30     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-21  2:48       ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-02-21  3:41         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-21  4:13           ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-02-21 16:48             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-21 20:06               ` John Wiegley
2017-02-21 14:44       ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]         ` <CADtN0WLjNcFRLCsJNZX+XfqOcq+veTaoGkwHQCV9bjvuQoEORA@mail.gmail.com>
2017-02-21 15:48           ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-02-21 17:14             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-21 16:59         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-02 14:59   ` request to reconsider libnettle/libhogweed (was: How to ship native modules?) Ted Zlatanov
2017-03-02 15:19     ` request to reconsider libnettle/libhogweed Stefan Monnier
2017-03-02 15:55     ` request to reconsider libnettle/libhogweed (was: How to ship native modules?) Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-15 21:19       ` libnettle/libhogweed WIP (was: request to reconsider libnettle/libhogweed) Ted Zlatanov
2017-03-16 15:28         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-17 22:46           ` libnettle/libhogweed WIP Ted Zlatanov
2017-03-18  8:12             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-20 18:45           ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-11 20:05           ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-14 20:48             ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-15  9:32               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-15 14:27                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-15 14:55                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-16  2:39                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-16  6:25                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-16  6:51                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-17 16:23                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-17 16:34                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-17 16:55                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-17 17:11                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-17 17:34                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-17 17:46                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-17 18:11                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-17 20:50                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-17 21:19                                 ` Noam Postavsky
2017-04-17 23:29                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-19  2:08                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-19  2:42                                       ` Noam Postavsky
2017-04-19 15:24                                       ` Davis Herring
2017-04-19 15:45                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-20 17:24                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-20 19:38                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-20 20:24                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-20 20:42                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-04-20 21:54                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-21  6:21                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-21 18:45                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-04-21 19:15                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-21  6:14                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-15 21:55                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-05-16 22:19                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-05-17 16:22                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-17 20:05                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-05-31 18:17                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-06-03  7:23                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-03  9:00                                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-03 10:01                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-03 10:09                                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-03 10:47                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-27 22:58                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-06-28 16:54                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-28 19:44                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-13 18:35                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-14 15:10                                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-14 19:04                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-14 19:43                                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-14 20:04                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-15 18:30                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-15  9:15                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-15 18:40                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-15 19:12                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-22  9:10                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-26  6:58                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-26 14:52                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-26 15:34                                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-26 15:49                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-26 16:08                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-26 18:51                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-26 20:48                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-27  0:19                                                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2017-07-27  2:34                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-27  4:36                                                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2017-07-27 15:56                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-08-03 19:52                                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-08-03  8:02                                                                                         ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-03 16:49                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-18 17:44                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-19 12:22                               ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-19 13:38                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-19 14:16                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-04-19 14:48                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-19 14:41                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-19 14:54                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-19 15:31                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-19 15:48                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-19 16:49                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-04-19 17:24                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-19 19:53                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-20  2:30                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-20  3:36                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-20 15:46                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-20 15:59                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-04-20 16:24                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2017-04-20 17:25                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-20 19:40                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-04-20 20:31                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-20 19:58                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-20 20:36                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-20 17:14                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-20 19:29                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-19 19:49                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-17 16:00                       ` rename STRING_SET_CHARS to STRING_SET_SIZE (was: libnettle/libhogweed WIP) Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-17 16:24                         ` rename STRING_SET_CHARS to STRING_SET_SIZE Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-17 16:29                         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-17 16:34                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-04-16  3:37                     ` libnettle/libhogweed WIP Stefan Monnier
2017-04-16  6:19                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-16 13:20                         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-16  7:47               ` Toon Claes
2017-03-02 17:58     ` request to reconsider libnettle/libhogweed Paul Eggert
2017-03-02 18:33       ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-02-20 15:33 ` How to ship native modules? Aurélien Aptel
2017-02-21  4:50 ` Andreas Politz
2017-02-21  5:12   ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-02-21  5:23     ` Andreas Politz

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