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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>
Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Enabling native compilation by default when libgccjit is present
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 10:06:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <837dccubnx.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o85pl7e8.fsf@web.de> (message from Michael Heerdegen on Thu, 09 Dec 2021 23:50:55 +0100)

> From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>
> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2021 23:50:55 +0100
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de> writes:
> 
> > Sure, it miscompiles - but it also fails, and a broken eln is never
> > loaded.  Only because of that it "works".
> 
> What I really wanted to do is to point to the fact that the init file is
> a special case.  Will all users be able to fix the warnings so that they
> don't get a broken .eln init file?  Will all of them understand what the
> problem is - when loading the source works without problems?  Compiled
> stuff behaving differently than interpreted code is something that some
> people don't expect and understand.

These questions are supposed to be answered by collecting user
experience and bug reports for Emacs 28.  We don't have that yet, so
we don't know the answers yet.  We still don't know enough about the
various consequences of this new feature in all the different use
patterns out there.

We do know that if your init file is called ".emacs" or "init.el", and
there's no corresponding .elc file, Emacs will NOT natively-compile
the init file.  So at least users who don't byte-compile their init
files are okay (I'm squarely in that group).

> Only programmers would be able to use an Emacs init file.

See above: this is at least inaccurate, if not incorrect.

> I think eln compiling the user's own files should be opt-in.

We will decide on that after we see how the community reacts to the
feature.  For now, I didn't see too many complaints about this on
relevant forums, and a few questions regarding the warnings, when
answered, were met with understanding and "problem solved"
conclusions.  But the jury is still out on these issues, from my POV,
so we will need to revisit these issues later.



  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-10  8:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-02 19:25 Enabling native compilation by default when libgccjit is present Andrea Corallo
2021-12-02 19:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-03 16:52   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-03 18:30     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-03 21:27       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-03 18:53     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-03 21:30       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-03 22:39         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-04  2:48           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-04  7:48             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-04 19:28             ` Andrea Corallo
2021-12-04 19:41               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-04 19:57                 ` Andrea Corallo
2021-12-05  5:04                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-05  5:09                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-05  5:29                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-05  5:31                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-05  5:46                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-05  5:48                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-05  6:00                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-05  5:54                         ` Tim Cross
2021-12-05  8:20                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-05 11:27                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-05 14:15                           ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2021-12-05 16:52                             ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-05 17:42                               ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2021-12-05 20:48                                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-05 17:10                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-05 19:25                               ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2021-12-05 20:55                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-05 22:59                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-05 19:40                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-05 20:02                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-05 20:32                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-05 23:03                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-05 23:05                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-05 23:27                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-05 20:37                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-05 21:44                                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-05 21:48                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-05 22:58                                     ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-05 21:15                               ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-06  4:33                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-06 12:59                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-06 13:57                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-06 14:08                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-07 16:02                                       ` Matt Armstrong
2021-12-07 16:55                                         ` tomas
2021-12-07 17:02                                         ` T.V Raman
2021-12-05 20:00                             ` Jim Myhrberg
2021-12-06  1:03                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-06  2:50                                 ` Jim Myhrberg
2021-12-06 12:59                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-07  0:34                           ` João Pedro de Amorim Paula
2021-12-08  4:34                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-09 17:00                           ` David Koppelman
2021-12-06  4:33                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-03 22:34 ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-04  7:26   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-07  4:38     ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-07  5:02       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-07 13:59         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-08  2:31           ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-08  9:55             ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-09  0:56               ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-08 12:52             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-08  8:16           ` Andreas Schwab
2021-12-08 13:21             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-09  0:29               ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-09  4:49                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-09  5:27                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-09 10:22                     ` Andrea Corallo
2021-12-09 13:14                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-09 22:28                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-09 22:50                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-10  8:06                           ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-12-11  3:11                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-07 13:53       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-08  2:25         ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-08  2:40           ` Po Lu
2021-12-08  3:39             ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-08 12:55               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-08 17:08               ` T.V Raman
2021-12-08 13:52             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-08 14:31               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-09  7:19                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-08 12:51           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-09  0:44             ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-09  4:13           ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-09  9:27             ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-12-05 17:24 Angelo Graziosi

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