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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Andrea Corallo <akrl@sdf.org>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Enabling native compilation by default when libgccjit is present
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2021 03:48:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r1atrsp9.fsf@gnus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmnYuanVvxQgRVRqrGA7ZTjN2zkcGey3-rwUa_B38PwhAA@mail.gmail.com> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Fri, 3 Dec 2021 14:39:15 -0800")

Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:

> That sounds a bit odd to me.  Why would users with slow machines
> constantly rebuild Emacs, to the point that they get turned off Emacs
> altogether?  Wouldn't they just settle for running the latest stable
> release long before that point?

Emacs' release cycle is a bit slow, so there's a sizeable number of
people that build from git.

> Of course, many people do track master, but I would put them firmly in
> the "enthusiast" camp.  Such users will surely understand that there is
> a cost associated with running master, no?

I'd rather not scare away more people than necessary.  "I wanted to try
Emacs, but it took twenty minutes to build, so I'm using vim instead" is
certainly something I can see happening.

This reminds me of something I've been wondering about, but never
actually looked into.  One of the things I was expecting nativecomp to
make faster is byte compilation, but it doesn't actually seem to make
any difference, which I find really surprising.  Here's my test case:

$ rm lisp/gnus/*.elc lisp/org/*.elc ; time make -j8

This is around 10% slower with nativecomp than without, which just seems
backwards.  So I wondered whether somehow bytecomp/byte-opt and friends
weren't compiled natively or something, but dropping in 

(message "HELLO: %S" (type-of (symbol-function 'byte-compile-warning-enabled-p)))

into gnus.el indicates that it is.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
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  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-04  2:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-02 19:25 Enabling native compilation by default when libgccjit is present Andrea Corallo
2021-12-02 19:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-03 16:52   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-03 18:30     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-03 21:27       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-03 18:53     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-03 21:30       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-03 22:39         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-04  2:48           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen [this message]
2021-12-04  7:48             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-04 19:28             ` Andrea Corallo
2021-12-04 19:41               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-04 19:57                 ` Andrea Corallo
2021-12-05  5:04                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-05  5:09                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-05  5:29                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-05  5:31                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-05  5:46                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-05  5:48                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-05  6:00                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-05  5:54                         ` Tim Cross
2021-12-05  8:20                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-05 11:27                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-05 14:15                           ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2021-12-05 16:52                             ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-05 17:42                               ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2021-12-05 20:48                                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-05 17:10                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-05 19:25                               ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2021-12-05 20:55                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-05 22:59                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-05 19:40                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-05 20:02                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-05 20:32                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-05 23:03                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-05 23:05                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-05 23:27                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-05 20:37                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-05 21:44                                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-05 21:48                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-05 22:58                                     ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-05 21:15                               ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-06  4:33                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-06 12:59                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-06 13:57                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-06 14:08                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-07 16:02                                       ` Matt Armstrong
2021-12-07 16:55                                         ` tomas
2021-12-07 17:02                                         ` T.V Raman
2021-12-05 20:00                             ` Jim Myhrberg
2021-12-06  1:03                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-06  2:50                                 ` Jim Myhrberg
2021-12-06 12:59                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-07  0:34                           ` João Pedro de Amorim Paula
2021-12-08  4:34                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-09 17:00                           ` David Koppelman
2021-12-06  4:33                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-03 22:34 ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-04  7:26   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-07  4:38     ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-07  5:02       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-07 13:59         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-08  2:31           ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-08  9:55             ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-09  0:56               ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-08 12:52             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-08  8:16           ` Andreas Schwab
2021-12-08 13:21             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-09  0:29               ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-09  4:49                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-09  5:27                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-09 10:22                     ` Andrea Corallo
2021-12-09 13:14                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-09 22:28                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-09 22:50                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-10  8:06                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-11  3:11                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-07 13:53       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-08  2:25         ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-08  2:40           ` Po Lu
2021-12-08  3:39             ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-08 12:55               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-08 17:08               ` T.V Raman
2021-12-08 13:52             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-08 14:31               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-09  7:19                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-08 12:51           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-09  0:44             ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-09  4:13           ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-09  9:27             ` Eli Zaretskii
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2021-12-05 17:24 Angelo Graziosi

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