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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, michael_heerdegen@web.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Enabling native compilation by default when libgccjit is present
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2021 16:31:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83ee6nw4lt.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv8rwvyzzs.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (message from Stefan Monnier on Wed, 08 Dec 2021 08:52:01 -0500)

> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Cc: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>,  Eli Zaretskii
>  <eliz@gnu.org>,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2021 08:52:01 -0500
> 
> > But how are those warnings different from what the user will get if he
> > runs `package-install' on a package that causes warnings from the
> > byte-compiler?
> 
> - By default, package-install compiles all the new files, one after the
>   other, in the current Emacs session.  So it tends to emit fewer
>   warnings than the native compilation (which compiles each file in
>   a fresh new process) because many more packages have already been
>   loaded.  This same difference can cause the native-compiled files to
>   be miscompiled (because of a lack of `require`s) while the .elc files
>   generated during `package-install` work properly.
> 
> - Native compilation of a package kicks in when a package that has been
>   byte-compiled gets loaded in an Emacs session.
>   So the warnings emitted by native-compilation are always *in addition*
>   to the warnings that were emitted during `package-install`.
> 
> - `.eln` files are specific to a particular Emacs executable, so all the
>   `.elc` files you use will be *re*compiled to `.eln` every time you
>   start using a new Emacs executable.  For "normal" users this means
>   every time they upgrade to a new release.  For people who track
>   `master` it can mean "every other day".

There's no argument that there are more warnings with
native-compilation.  The argument is whether these warnings should
surprise people as something that "never happens otherwise".



  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-08 14:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-02 19:25 Enabling native compilation by default when libgccjit is present Andrea Corallo
2021-12-02 19:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-03 16:52   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-03 18:30     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-03 21:27       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-03 18:53     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-03 21:30       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-03 22:39         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-04  2:48           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-04  7:48             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-04 19:28             ` Andrea Corallo
2021-12-04 19:41               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-04 19:57                 ` Andrea Corallo
2021-12-05  5:04                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-05  5:09                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-05  5:29                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-05  5:31                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-05  5:46                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-05  5:48                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-05  6:00                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-05  5:54                         ` Tim Cross
2021-12-05  8:20                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-05 11:27                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-05 14:15                           ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2021-12-05 16:52                             ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-05 17:42                               ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2021-12-05 20:48                                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-05 17:10                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-05 19:25                               ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2021-12-05 20:55                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-05 22:59                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-05 19:40                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-05 20:02                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-05 20:32                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-05 23:03                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-05 23:05                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-05 23:27                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-05 20:37                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-05 21:44                                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-05 21:48                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-05 22:58                                     ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-05 21:15                               ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-06  4:33                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-06 12:59                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-06 13:57                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-06 14:08                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-07 16:02                                       ` Matt Armstrong
2021-12-07 16:55                                         ` tomas
2021-12-07 17:02                                         ` T.V Raman
2021-12-05 20:00                             ` Jim Myhrberg
2021-12-06  1:03                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-06  2:50                                 ` Jim Myhrberg
2021-12-06 12:59                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-07  0:34                           ` João Pedro de Amorim Paula
2021-12-08  4:34                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-09 17:00                           ` David Koppelman
2021-12-06  4:33                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-03 22:34 ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-04  7:26   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-07  4:38     ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-07  5:02       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-07 13:59         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-08  2:31           ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-08  9:55             ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-09  0:56               ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-08 12:52             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-08  8:16           ` Andreas Schwab
2021-12-08 13:21             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-09  0:29               ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-09  4:49                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-09  5:27                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-09 10:22                     ` Andrea Corallo
2021-12-09 13:14                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-09 22:28                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-09 22:50                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-10  8:06                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-11  3:11                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-07 13:53       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-08  2:25         ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-08  2:40           ` Po Lu
2021-12-08  3:39             ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-08 12:55               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-08 17:08               ` T.V Raman
2021-12-08 13:52             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-08 14:31               ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-12-09  7:19                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-08 12:51           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-09  0:44             ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-12-09  4:13           ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-09  9:27             ` Eli Zaretskii
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2021-12-05 17:24 Angelo Graziosi

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