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From: Luc Teirlinck <teirllm@dms.auburn.edu>
Cc: snogglethorpe@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org
Subject: Re: file-name-shadow-mode
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:18:12 -0600 (CST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200503180518.j2I5ICV19015@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87is3p5zp2.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (message from Stefan Monnier on Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:47:55 -0500)

>From my previous message:

    I personally very much believe it is a bad idea.  _However_ it is the
    _general_ default :initialize function (`custom-initialize-reset')
    that has this problem and _not_ `custom-initialize-set' (note the
    missing `re').

Actually, I was confused here: `custom-initialize-set' does have a
side effect when loading the file, but, unlike the very problematic
default `custom-initialize-reset' it will not override user
customizations.  (These are the two problems I confused.)

Setting :init-value non-nil for a minor-mode already has a side effect
and a pretty confusing one, since the variable and the function are
now out of sync.  Unless the minor mode requires no :set function, in
which case the minor mode is enabled and thus there is a side effect.
It seems only appropriate for pre-loaded files and I propose to make
the file in question pre-loaded.

   I think it's better to keep the :init-value at nil,

If the real default value is t, then the :init-value _needs_ to be t,
for reasons discussed earlier.

Sincerely,

Luc.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-03-18  5:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-17  9:16 file-name-shadow-mode David Kastrup
2005-03-17 12:16 ` file-name-shadow-mode Matt Hodges
2005-03-18  1:56   ` file-name-shadow-mode Miles Bader
2005-03-18  1:59 ` file-name-shadow-mode Miles Bader
2005-03-18  2:17   ` file-name-shadow-mode Nick Roberts
2005-03-18  4:35   ` file-name-shadow-mode Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-18  4:47     ` file-name-shadow-mode Stefan Monnier
2005-03-18  4:55       ` file-name-shadow-mode Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-18  5:18       ` Luc Teirlinck [this message]
2005-03-18  5:37       ` file-name-shadow-mode Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-18 18:20       ` file-name-shadow-mode Richard Stallman
2005-03-19 15:21         ` file-name-shadow-mode Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-19 15:45           ` file-name-shadow-mode David Kastrup
2005-03-19 16:45           ` file-name-shadow-mode Stefan Monnier
2005-03-20  2:14             ` file-name-shadow-mode Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-20 14:13               ` file-name-shadow-mode Stefan Monnier
2005-03-20 16:02                 ` file-name-shadow-mode Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-20 16:18                 ` file-name-shadow-mode Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-20  2:30             ` file-name-shadow-mode Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-20  3:33               ` file-name-shadow-mode Miles Bader
2005-03-20  4:28                 ` file-name-shadow-mode David Kastrup
2005-03-20 17:30                 ` file-name-shadow-mode Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-20 18:10                   ` file-name-shadow-mode David Kastrup
2005-03-21  1:19                   ` file-name-shadow-mode Richard Stallman
2005-03-20 18:01                 ` file-name-shadow-mode Richard Stallman
2005-03-20 18:24                   ` file-name-shadow-mode Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-20 18:47                     ` file-name-shadow-mode David Kastrup
2005-03-20 21:11                   ` file-name-shadow-mode Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-20 21:25                     ` file-name-shadow-mode Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-21 13:44                       ` file-name-shadow-mode Stefan Monnier
2005-03-21 22:24                         ` file-name-shadow-mode Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-21 23:00                           ` file-name-shadow-mode Stefan Monnier
2005-03-22 20:44                             ` file-name-shadow-mode Richard Stallman
2005-03-28 21:32                               ` file-name-shadow-mode Stefan Monnier
2005-03-21 13:24                   ` file-name-shadow-mode Stefan Monnier
2005-03-21 14:05                     ` file-name-shadow-mode David Kastrup
2005-03-21 16:48                       ` file-name-shadow-mode Stefan Monnier
2005-03-22  3:34                       ` file-name-shadow-mode Richard Stallman
2005-03-21 14:26                     ` file-name-shadow-mode Miles Bader
2005-03-21 15:14                       ` file-name-shadow-mode David Kastrup
2005-03-21 15:47                         ` file-name-shadow-mode David Kastrup
2005-03-21 16:58                       ` file-name-shadow-mode Stefan Monnier
2005-03-21 23:57                     ` file-name-shadow-mode Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-23 22:55                     ` file-name-shadow-mode Stefan Monnier
2005-03-24  0:04                       ` file-name-shadow-mode David Kastrup
2005-03-25  6:42                         ` file-name-shadow-mode Richard Stallman
2005-03-25  8:45                           ` file-name-shadow-mode David Kastrup
2005-03-18  5:23 ` file-name-shadow-mode Richard Stallman

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