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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: neil@ossau.uklinux.net, raeburn@raeburn.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp and Guile
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:47:06 -0600 (MDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200208132247.g7DMl6w07259@wijiji.santafe.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ljr8h4803x.fsf@burns.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de> (message from Marius Vollmer on 12 Aug 2002 19:20:50 +0200)

Having now seen the R5RS description of dynamic-wind, I see it is a
very low-level mechanism.  For the sake of using dynamic-wind for
dynamic variable bindings, it would be convenient to have a function
to swap in bindings and a function to swap out bindings.  Then
when you write calls to dynamic-wind, you would call these functions,
not manipulate bindings directly.

These functions could also have code for correct interaction with
buffer-local bindings and frame-local bindings.  No special
primitive features would be needed for those, if they are implemented
in an unoptimized fashion and always swap the values in and out
immediately.

The hardest part of the mechanism that Emacs uses now to implement in
Guile is the optimization of not finding and swapping in a variable's
current binding until a reference occurs.  If Guile provided a
mechanism to run arbitrary code for a variable reference, we could use
that mechanism to implement this optimization.

Suppose that Guile could run arbitrary code before and after the
variable reference, for effect only, and the variable reference itself
would always occur normally.  This would not encourage people to use
variables for jobs that ought to be done by functions, but would
permit implementation of this optimization, and various sorts of
forwarding.  What do you think of this idea?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-08-13 22:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-20  0:35 Emacs Lisp and Guile Richard Stallman
2002-07-20  8:37 ` Neil Jerram
2002-07-21 20:15   ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-24 22:05     ` Neil Jerram
2002-07-25 18:07       ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-25 19:16         ` Marius Vollmer
2002-07-27 18:53           ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-30 12:20             ` Marius Vollmer
2002-07-31  5:54               ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-01 19:39                 ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-01 20:52                   ` Kai Großjohann
2002-08-02 10:23                     ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-02 10:41                       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-08-02 12:09                         ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-02 12:37                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-08-05 15:19                             ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-02 22:14                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-02 22:53                             ` Sam Steingold
2002-08-03 15:38                               ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-03 16:15                                 ` Sam Steingold
2002-08-03 19:35                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-08-03 20:33                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-08-03 20:40                                   ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-03 22:41                                     ` Sam Steingold
2002-08-04  5:14                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-08-04 23:26                                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-05 15:58                                   ` Sam Steingold
2002-08-09 18:02                                   ` Alex Schroeder
2002-08-11  3:54                                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-04 23:25                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-05 16:10                                 ` Sam Steingold
2002-08-10  7:17                                   ` Noah Friedman
2002-08-10 14:01                                     ` Alex Schroeder
2002-08-11 16:52                                     ` Sam Steingold
2002-08-02 17:43                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-05 16:08                     ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-07 14:24                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-08 16:35                         ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-09 16:39                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-12 14:51                             ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-13  1:47                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-13 19:13                                 ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-14  5:15                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-14 18:26                                     ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-15 19:53                                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-19 21:03                                         ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-09  6:50                         ` Stefan Monnier
2002-08-10 17:16                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-07 14:24                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-07 15:38                         ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-08  7:01                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-08 16:06                         ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-09 16:39                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-12 13:40                             ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-13  1:47                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-13 19:17                                 ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-14  5:15                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-14 18:21                                     ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-10 14:32                     ` Michael Sperber [Mr.  Preprocessor]
2002-08-11  3:55                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-11  8:28                         ` Michael Sperber [Mr.  Preprocessor]
2002-08-12 17:05                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-13  6:58                             ` Michael Sperber [Mr.  Preprocessor]
     [not found]                             ` <ljr8h4803x.fsf@burns.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de>
2002-08-13 22:47                               ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2002-08-14 18:50                                 ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-15 19:53                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-19 20:54                                     ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-21  0:12                                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-28  8:17         ` Neil Jerram
2002-07-29 17:30           ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-25  4:22   ` Ken Raeburn
2002-11-05 23:28     ` Neil Jerram
2002-11-07  4:49       ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-07 20:32         ` Neil Jerram
2002-11-09 11:54           ` Richard Stallman

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