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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: raeburn@raeburn.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, mvo@zagadka.ping.de
Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp and Guile
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:07:05 -0600 (MDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200207251807.g6PI75d07615@aztec.santafe.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3wurkwzll.fsf@laruns.ossau.uklinux.net> (message from Neil Jerram on 24 Jul 2002 23:05:58 +0100)

    What you suggest would be ideal.  I only talked about a "preprocessed
    version" because I was assuming that it might not be feasible to start
    modifying the primary Emacs codebase immediately.  If this assumption
    is wrong, so much the better.  (Would you agree with this, Ken?)

We may be miscommunicating.  I was talking about the right way to do
this eventually.  We certainly are not at the point of doing it now.

    1. The Guile reader doesn't directly handle all Elisp syntax -- e.g. [
    ] for vectors and ? for character/integers.

Since Emacs Lisp syntax is not the same as Guile syntax, we will need
a reader that handles Emacs Lisp syntax--unless it happens that the
Guile reader could be customized to support Emacs Lisp syntax.  Is
that feasible?

    2. The representation of Elisp variables doesn't allow for buffer- and
    frame-local variables.

How to handle these in a Guile-based system is not obvious, but they are
such important features that we must make them work.

    3. There's no byte code interpreter.

I don't think we need to support the Emacs Lisp byte code interpreter
if we have some equally efficient or more efficient way to run an
Emacs Lisp program.  Source compatibility is the important kind of
compatibility here.

    4. There are special forms that I haven't implemented
    (e.g. condition-case) and several data types (e.g. buffers, char
    tables); but these are all really in the same category as primitives,
    so no big deal.

condition-case needs to be handled; that is a language construct,
not an editing primitive.

The functions that operate on buffers would be implemented by C code,
the same as now, so they are not part of the scope of implementing the
Emacs Lisp language.  However, the issue of the data representation to
use for them is a significant one.

  reply	other threads:[~2002-07-25 18:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-20  0:35 Emacs Lisp and Guile Richard Stallman
2002-07-20  8:37 ` Neil Jerram
2002-07-21 20:15   ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-24 22:05     ` Neil Jerram
2002-07-25 18:07       ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2002-07-25 19:16         ` Marius Vollmer
2002-07-27 18:53           ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-30 12:20             ` Marius Vollmer
2002-07-31  5:54               ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-01 19:39                 ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-01 20:52                   ` Kai Großjohann
2002-08-02 10:23                     ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-02 10:41                       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-08-02 12:09                         ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-02 12:37                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-08-05 15:19                             ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-02 22:14                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-02 22:53                             ` Sam Steingold
2002-08-03 15:38                               ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-03 16:15                                 ` Sam Steingold
2002-08-03 19:35                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-08-03 20:33                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-08-03 20:40                                   ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-03 22:41                                     ` Sam Steingold
2002-08-04  5:14                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-08-04 23:26                                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-05 15:58                                   ` Sam Steingold
2002-08-09 18:02                                   ` Alex Schroeder
2002-08-11  3:54                                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-04 23:25                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-05 16:10                                 ` Sam Steingold
2002-08-10  7:17                                   ` Noah Friedman
2002-08-10 14:01                                     ` Alex Schroeder
2002-08-11 16:52                                     ` Sam Steingold
2002-08-02 17:43                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-05 16:08                     ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-07 14:24                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-08 16:35                         ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-09 16:39                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-12 14:51                             ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-13  1:47                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-13 19:13                                 ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-14  5:15                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-14 18:26                                     ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-15 19:53                                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-19 21:03                                         ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-09  6:50                         ` Stefan Monnier
2002-08-10 17:16                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-07 14:24                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-07 15:38                         ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-08  7:01                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-08 16:06                         ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-09 16:39                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-12 13:40                             ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-13  1:47                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-13 19:17                                 ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-14  5:15                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-14 18:21                                     ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-10 14:32                     ` Michael Sperber [Mr.  Preprocessor]
2002-08-11  3:55                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-11  8:28                         ` Michael Sperber [Mr.  Preprocessor]
2002-08-12 17:05                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-13  6:58                             ` Michael Sperber [Mr.  Preprocessor]
     [not found]                             ` <ljr8h4803x.fsf@burns.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de>
2002-08-13 22:47                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-14 18:50                                 ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-15 19:53                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-19 20:54                                     ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-21  0:12                                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-28  8:17         ` Neil Jerram
2002-07-29 17:30           ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-25  4:22   ` Ken Raeburn
2002-11-05 23:28     ` Neil Jerram
2002-11-07  4:49       ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-07 20:32         ` Neil Jerram
2002-11-09 11:54           ` Richard Stallman

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