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From: Michal Nazarewicz <mina86@mina86.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 24603@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#24603: [RFC 08/18] Support casing characters which map into multiple code points
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2016 23:40:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xa1t1szti2bo.fsf@mina86.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <838tu4o977.fsf@gnu.org>

On Tue, Oct 04 2016, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> From: Michal Nazarewicz <mina86@mina86.com>
>> Date: Tue,  4 Oct 2016 03:10:31 +0200
>> 
>> * src/make-special-casing.py: New script to generate special-casing.h
>> file from the SpecialCasing.txt data file.
>
> Please do this without Python, either in Emacs Lisp and/or the tools
> already used in admin/unidata, including awk.  Python is still not
> available as widely as the other tools.

Will do.

>> +special-casing.h: make-special-casing.py ../admin/unidata/SpecialCasing.txt
>> +	$(AM_V_GEN)
>> +	python $^ $@
>
> Don't use a literal name of a program, so users could specify their
> name and/or absolute file name at build time.  See what we do with
> awk, for example.

Will do.

>> +#include "special-casing.h"
>
> Why not a shorter 'casing.h'?

It includes data from SpecialCasing.txt only so I figured
‘special-casing.h’ would be a more descriptive name.  I can change it to
‘casing.h’ if you prefer.

> Once again, this stores the casing rules in C, whereas I'd prefer to
> have them in tables accessible from Lisp.

There are a few reasons to hard-code the special casing rules in C.

Some of them have conditions (does are implemented in later patches)
which are non-trivial to encode in Lisp.  Some look backwards
(e.g. After_Soft_Dotted) and some look forward (e.g. Not_Before_Dot) and
not necessarily only one character forward (e.g. More_Above).

By hard-coding the implementation, each of the predicates can be handled
in a custom way such that the code only ever looks at current and one
character forward.  Not to mention that is likely faster.

Furthermore, by not having the data in Lisp I can make certain
assumptions.  For example that a single character will get changed into
a sequence of at most six bytes.  Having to deal with arbitrary data
that user may have put in the lisp data would further complicate the
code and if the flexibility is not worth it.

There is also the aspect that not all of the language-dependent rules
implemented in this patchset are part of Unicode.  Dutch IJ (when
spelled as separate ASCII characters) is not covered by
SpecialCasing.txt.  Similarly, I might also get around to implementing
Irish rules¹.  Mixing information from SpecialCasing.txt and other
sources feels a bit messy.

¹ https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1018805

>> @@ -194,7 +276,9 @@ casify_object (enum case_action flag, Lisp_Object obj)
>>  DEFUN ("upcase", Fupcase, Supcase, 1, 1, 0,
>>         doc: /* Convert argument to upper case and return that.
>>  The argument may be a character or string.  The result has the same type.
>> -The argument object is not altered--the value is a copy.
>> +The argument object is not altered--the value is a copy.  If argument
>> +is a character, characters which map to multiple code points when
>> +cased, e.g. fi, are returned unchanged.
>>  See also `capitalize', `downcase' and `upcase-initials'.  */)
>
> I think this doc string should say what to do if the application wants
> to convert fi into "FI".

Perhaps it would be better to describe it in Info page and link that
from the docstrings?  The reason I’m suggesting that is that there are
11 functions defined in src/casefiddle.c and a lot of the documentation
like that (some of which upcoming in future patches) should be included
in all of them but that would mean either repeating the same thing over
and over or linking to one particular function, but then which one
should be the special one?  If all of this was moved to Info page and it
linked from docstring, the problem would go away.

-- 
Best regards
ミハウ “𝓶𝓲𝓷𝓪86” ナザレヴイツ
«If at first you don’t succeed, give up skydiving»





  reply	other threads:[~2016-10-06 21:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-10-04  1:05 bug#24603: [RFC 00/18] Improvement to casing Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10 ` bug#24603: [RFC 01/18] Add tests for casefiddle.c Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 02/18] Generate upcase and downcase tables from Unicode data Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  7:27     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-04 14:54       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04 15:06         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-04 16:57           ` Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04 17:27             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-04 17:44               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-06 20:29                 ` Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-07  6:52                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 03/18] Don’t assume character can be either upper- or lower-case when casing Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 04/18] Split casify_object into multiple functions Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 05/18] Introduce case_character function Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 06/18] Add support for title-casing letters Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 07/18] Split up casify_region function Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  7:17     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18  2:27       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 08/18] Support casing characters which map into multiple code points Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  7:38     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-06 21:40       ` Michal Nazarewicz [this message]
2016-10-07  7:46         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-28 23:48           ` Michal Nazarewicz
2017-02-10  9:12             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 09/18] Implement special sigma casing rule Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  7:22     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 10/18] Implement Turkic dotless and dotted i handling when casing strings Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  7:12     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 11/18] Implement casing rules for Lithuanian Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 12/18] Implement rules for title-casing Dutch ij ‘letter’ Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 13/18] Add some tricky Unicode characters to regex test Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 14/18] Factor out character category lookup to separate function Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 15/18] Base lower- and upper-case tests on Unicode properties Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  6:54     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 16/18] Refactor character class checking; optimise ASCII case Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  7:48     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-17 13:22       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2016-11-06 19:26       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2016-11-06 19:44         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-20 14:32           ` Michal Nazarewicz
2016-12-20 16:39             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-22 14:02               ` Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 17/18] Optimise character class matching in regexes Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 18/18] Fix case-fold-search character class matching Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-17 22:03 ` bug#24603: [PATCH 0/3] Case table updates Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-17 22:03   ` bug#24603: [PATCH 1/3] Add tests for casefiddle.c Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-17 22:03   ` bug#24603: [PATCH 2/3] Generate upcase and downcase tables from Unicode data Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-17 22:03   ` bug#24603: [PATCH 3/3] Don’t generate ‘X maps to X’ entries in case tables Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-18  6:36   ` bug#24603: [PATCH 0/3] Case table updates Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 15:11     ` Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-24 15:33       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-09 21:51 ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 00/11] Casing improvements Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-09 21:51   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 01/11] Split casify_object into multiple functions Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-10  9:00     ` Andreas Schwab
2017-03-09 21:51   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 02/11] Introduce case_character function Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-09 21:51   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 03/11] Add support for title-casing letters (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-11  9:03     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-09 21:51   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 04/11] Split up casify_region function (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-09 21:51   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 05/11] Support casing characters which map into multiple code points (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-11  9:14     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-21  2:09       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-09 21:51   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 06/11] Implement special sigma casing rule (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-09 21:51   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 07/11] Introduce ‘buffer-language’ buffer-locar variable Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-11  9:29     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-09 21:51   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 08/11] Implement rules for title-casing Dutch ij ‘letter’ (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-11  9:40     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-16 21:30       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-17 13:43         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-09 21:51   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 09/11] Implement Turkic dotless and dotted i casing rules (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-09 21:51   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 10/11] Implement casing rules for Lithuanian (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-09 21:51   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 11/11] Implement Irish casing rules (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-11  9:44     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-16 22:16       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-17  8:20         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-11 10:00   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 00/11] Casing improvements Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-21  1:27   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv6 0/6] Casing improvements, language-independent part Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-21  1:27     ` bug#24603: [PATCHv6 1/6] Split casify_object into multiple functions Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-21  1:27     ` bug#24603: [PATCHv6 2/6] Introduce case_character function Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-21  1:27     ` bug#24603: [PATCHv6 3/6] Add support for title-casing letters (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-21  1:27     ` bug#24603: [PATCHv6 4/6] Split up casify_region function (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-21  1:27     ` bug#24603: [PATCHv6 5/6] Support casing characters which map into multiple code points (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-22 16:06       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-03  9:01         ` Michal Nazarewicz
2017-04-03 14:52           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-25  0:09           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-25  0:29             ` Michał Nazarewicz
2020-08-11 13:46               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-05-10 11:51                 ` bug#24603: [RFC 00/18] Improvement to casing Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-03-21  1:27     ` bug#24603: [PATCHv6 6/6] Implement special sigma casing rule (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz

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