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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Michal Nazarewicz <mina86@mina86.com>
Cc: 24603@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#24603: [PATCHv5 00/11] Casing improvements
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 12:00:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <837f3wdtg3.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170309215150.9562-1-mina86@mina86.com> (message from Michal Nazarewicz on Thu, 9 Mar 2017 22:51:39 +0100)

> From: Michal Nazarewicz <mina86@mina86.com>
> Date: Thu,  9 Mar 2017 22:51:39 +0100
> 
> The first six patches (up to sigma casing rule) should be
> uncontroversial and unless there are objections I would like to get
> them submitted soon:
> 
>   Split casify_object into multiple functions
>   Introduce case_character function
>   Add support for title-casing letters  (bug#24603)
>   Split up casify_region function  (bug#24603)
>   Support casing characters which map into multiple code points 
>   Implement special sigma casing rule  (bug#24603)

Fine with me, modulo a few comments I posted to these 6 patches.

> The next patch adds ‘buffer-language’ buffer-local variable.  This
> seems to me as a sensible way of dealing with language-dependent rules
> and in the future I imagine the variable might be used for more
> cases, e.g. spell checking should automatically choose a dictionary
> based on it.  But perhaps there is another way which integrates with
> the rest of Emacs better:
> 
>   Introduce ‘buffer-language’ buffer-local variable

I think we should rather introduce a _function_ named buffer-language,
so that it's easier to extend this mechanism in the future to more
sophisticated and more fine-grained methods of determining the
language, such as text properties and/or overlays with special
properties.  The function could for now just return the value of a
buffer-specific variable, but I wouldn't expose and advertise that
variable so much as your code does.

In addition, your implementation seems to assume that the language
rules are independent of the country where that language is used,
i.e. that nl_NL and nl_BE will necessarily use the same rules for case
conversions.  Is this a good assumption?  Collation rules definitely
do depend on the country as well, AFAIK.

> The rest are just implementation of various language-specific rules.
> The implementation seems to be valid but it’s done purely in C which
> I guess still is a point of contention between me and Eli.

Yes, I'd still prefer that as much of the rules as possible be
specified in Lisp, thus avoiding the need to hard-code Unicode
codepoints and the associated rules in C.  I understand that the
support for each kind of rule should be available in C before the
rules can be used, but once such support is there, having the spec in
Lisp will allow us easier maintenance in the future, easier expansion
of this to cover additional languages that use the same types of
rules, and, with time, perhaps also automatic derivation of the rules
from the Unicode data files, thus providing for easier updates when a
new version of Unicode is incorporated.

So I'd still urge you to try to refactor the code so that as much as
is feasible of the rules is implemented as a Lisp database.  But I
won't reject these patches if you don't want to do such refactoring

Thanks.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-03-11 10:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-10-04  1:05 bug#24603: [RFC 00/18] Improvement to casing Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10 ` bug#24603: [RFC 01/18] Add tests for casefiddle.c Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 02/18] Generate upcase and downcase tables from Unicode data Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  7:27     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-04 14:54       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04 15:06         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-04 16:57           ` Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04 17:27             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-04 17:44               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-06 20:29                 ` Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-07  6:52                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 03/18] Don’t assume character can be either upper- or lower-case when casing Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 04/18] Split casify_object into multiple functions Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 05/18] Introduce case_character function Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 06/18] Add support for title-casing letters Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 07/18] Split up casify_region function Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  7:17     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18  2:27       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 08/18] Support casing characters which map into multiple code points Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  7:38     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-06 21:40       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-07  7:46         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-28 23:48           ` Michal Nazarewicz
2017-02-10  9:12             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 09/18] Implement special sigma casing rule Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  7:22     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 10/18] Implement Turkic dotless and dotted i handling when casing strings Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  7:12     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 11/18] Implement casing rules for Lithuanian Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 12/18] Implement rules for title-casing Dutch ij ‘letter’ Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 13/18] Add some tricky Unicode characters to regex test Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 14/18] Factor out character category lookup to separate function Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 15/18] Base lower- and upper-case tests on Unicode properties Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  6:54     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 16/18] Refactor character class checking; optimise ASCII case Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  7:48     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-17 13:22       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2016-11-06 19:26       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2016-11-06 19:44         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-20 14:32           ` Michal Nazarewicz
2016-12-20 16:39             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-22 14:02               ` Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 17/18] Optimise character class matching in regexes Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-04  1:10   ` bug#24603: [RFC 18/18] Fix case-fold-search character class matching Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-17 22:03 ` bug#24603: [PATCH 0/3] Case table updates Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-17 22:03   ` bug#24603: [PATCH 1/3] Add tests for casefiddle.c Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-17 22:03   ` bug#24603: [PATCH 2/3] Generate upcase and downcase tables from Unicode data Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-17 22:03   ` bug#24603: [PATCH 3/3] Don’t generate ‘X maps to X’ entries in case tables Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-18  6:36   ` bug#24603: [PATCH 0/3] Case table updates Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 15:11     ` Michal Nazarewicz
2016-10-24 15:33       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-09 21:51 ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 00/11] Casing improvements Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-09 21:51   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 01/11] Split casify_object into multiple functions Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-10  9:00     ` Andreas Schwab
2017-03-09 21:51   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 02/11] Introduce case_character function Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-09 21:51   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 03/11] Add support for title-casing letters (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-11  9:03     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-09 21:51   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 04/11] Split up casify_region function (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-09 21:51   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 05/11] Support casing characters which map into multiple code points (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-11  9:14     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-21  2:09       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-09 21:51   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 06/11] Implement special sigma casing rule (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-09 21:51   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 07/11] Introduce ‘buffer-language’ buffer-locar variable Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-11  9:29     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-09 21:51   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 08/11] Implement rules for title-casing Dutch ij ‘letter’ (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-11  9:40     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-16 21:30       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-17 13:43         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-09 21:51   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 09/11] Implement Turkic dotless and dotted i casing rules (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-09 21:51   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 10/11] Implement casing rules for Lithuanian (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-09 21:51   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv5 11/11] Implement Irish casing rules (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-11  9:44     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-16 22:16       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-17  8:20         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-11 10:00   ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2017-03-21  1:27   ` bug#24603: [PATCHv6 0/6] Casing improvements, language-independent part Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-21  1:27     ` bug#24603: [PATCHv6 1/6] Split casify_object into multiple functions Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-21  1:27     ` bug#24603: [PATCHv6 2/6] Introduce case_character function Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-21  1:27     ` bug#24603: [PATCHv6 3/6] Add support for title-casing letters (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-21  1:27     ` bug#24603: [PATCHv6 4/6] Split up casify_region function (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-21  1:27     ` bug#24603: [PATCHv6 5/6] Support casing characters which map into multiple code points (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz
2017-03-22 16:06       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-03  9:01         ` Michal Nazarewicz
2017-04-03 14:52           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-25  0:09           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-25  0:29             ` Michał Nazarewicz
2020-08-11 13:46               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-05-10 11:51                 ` bug#24603: [RFC 00/18] Improvement to casing Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-03-21  1:27     ` bug#24603: [PATCHv6 6/6] Implement special sigma casing rule (bug#24603) Michal Nazarewicz

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