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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@gmail.com>
Cc: 35564@debbugs.gnu.org,
	"Stefan Monnier" <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	"Kévin Le Gouguec" <kevin.legouguec@gmail.com>
Subject: bug#35564: [PATCH v3] Tweak dired warning about "wildcard" characters
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 07:30:01 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cc73f407-1afc-4e93-b962-481ce1a4fd38@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pnmw5wpi.fsf@gmail.com>

> >> > Confirm--do you mean to send these characters as-is to the shell?
> >> > sed -e 's/foo?/foo!/' -e 's/bar?/bar!'
> >> >              ^                 ^
> 
> I don't know about the '^' trick, if the minibuffer window is narrow
> enough to cause line wrapping the result won't be very readable.  And I
> doubt a screen reader would handle this kind of thing any better than
> highlighting (someone please correct me if I'm wrong about that).

Another possibility I almost mentioned is to
use, by default, a face that uses `:box' or
`:overline', or some such properties to make
the char occurrences stand out without relying
on color.  That might at least help with some
who have difficulty distinguishing color, but
it's not an ideal solution either.

I don't think we should try to jump through
too many hoops about this.  The main thing,
I think, is to put the char itself in the
sentence preceding the quoted command text.

The use of `^' is not too bad, I think, even
given the problems you mention.  If the char
occurrences that are problematic are not
obvious then a user can cancel the command
and check `*Messages*' for the full feedback.

> Agreed on both these points.  Updated patch is below, it produces
> prompts like these (still using highlighting):
> 
>     echo foo*
>     Send 1 occurence of ‘*’ as-is to shell? (y or n)
> 
>     echo foo* bar* *
>     Send 2 occurences of ‘*’ as-is to shell? (y or n)

Good.  But "occurrences", not "occurences".

> The last case (where there are both as-is and substituted "*") isn't so
> great without highlighting (you have to count the "*"s and work out if
> something unexpected is happening), but I think it's at least not worse
> than the current situation.

I vote for also adding the ^ indications underneath.

If you think that is too often too problematic then
maybe do something like one of these:

1. Give users a way to opt out or to remove that on
   demand.

2. Automatically remove it, based on window width,
   whether there are multiple lines, or whatever.
   But this should be controllable by a user (e.g.
   an option).

Agreed about use of screenreaders.  Users should
be able to turn off the ^ indicators.





  reply	other threads:[~2019-06-29 14:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-04 18:01 bug#35564: 27.0.50; [PATCH] Tweak dired-do-shell-command warning about "wildcard" characters Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-05-05  8:44 ` martin rudalics
2019-05-06 19:40   ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-05-07  8:15     ` martin rudalics
2019-05-07 13:19       ` Drew Adams
2019-05-08 20:42         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-05-08 22:39           ` Drew Adams
2019-05-09  8:13           ` martin rudalics
2019-05-09 14:17             ` Drew Adams
2019-05-09 17:51               ` martin rudalics
2019-05-09 20:04                 ` Drew Adams
2019-06-09 11:08 ` bug#35564: [PATCH v2] Tweak dired " Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-12 12:23   ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-12 14:29     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-13  6:19     ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-13  7:58       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-13 16:53       ` npostavs
2019-06-18  8:52         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-19  0:12           ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-26  6:16   ` bug#35564: [PATCH v3] " Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-26 13:27     ` Drew Adams
2019-06-27  5:58       ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-26 14:33     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-27  6:15       ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-27 23:31     ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-28  6:15       ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-28 15:35         ` Drew Adams
2019-06-28 17:58           ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-28 18:43             ` Drew Adams
2019-06-29 13:48               ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-29 14:30                 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2019-06-29 14:13               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-03 19:47     ` bug#35564: [PATCH v4] " Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-07-12 15:10       ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-07-27 11:20         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-27 17:26           ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-07-27 22:22             ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-07-29  3:29               ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-07-29 18:11                 ` Juri Linkov
2019-07-29 19:01                 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-08-02  5:26                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-08-08 10:40                     ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-08-08 21:06                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-08-09 12:43                         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-08-09 18:03                           ` Juri Linkov
2019-08-15 20:56                           ` Juri Linkov
2019-08-19  4:55                             ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-07-27 22:03           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-07-27 23:32             ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-07-27 23:41               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-10-10 18:45       ` bug#35564: [PATCH v5] " Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-10-22 15:10         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-10-22 16:58           ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-10-22 21:32             ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-11-10 20:29               ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-14  7:02                 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-11-16 20:23                   ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-22 20:43           ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-22 21:11             ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-10-27 21:40               ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-30 21:59                 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-04  6:36                   ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-11-05 22:22                     ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-07 22:17                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-10 20:18                         ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-18  7:11         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-12-19 22:01           ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-20  8:53             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-20 20:34               ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-12-21  7:08                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-22 16:02                   ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-12-20 20:43             ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-12-21  7:08               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-20 11:42                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-20 12:04                   ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-09-20 12:18                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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