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From: Tim Connors <tim.w.connors@gmail.com>
To: Jason Spiro <jasonspiro4@gmail.com>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org,
	bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com,
	1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com
Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bellinstead
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:32:38 +1100 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0811171819560.21312@dirac.rather.puzzling.org> (raw)

"Jason Spiro" <jasonspiro4@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/11/10 Richard M. Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
>> For changes like this, you should poll the users, with a poll
>> announced at least on info-gnu-emacs and help-gnu-emacs.
>>
>> To get the most useful information in return, it is important to ask
>> them to state the reasons for their preference, rather than simply to
>> "vote".
>
> We should poll for which change?  Surely removing beeping from the
> trivial things like:
>
> * quit (C-g), and
> * moving the point off the end of the buffer, and
> * failing isearches
>
> should not require a poll.

See, I very much disagree that at least one of these is a "trivial" use,
which demonstrates that deciding not to ask for a poll because *you* think
something is obviously the case is a flawed proposition.

For the first year of the life of this laptop, the sound driver didn't
output beeps at all, which made editing in emacs very much more painful
(the latest ALSA release restores beeps for this chipset, yay).

I find visible-bell *way* too distracting, so use beeps (I can turn it
down and control its pitch, but I can't make reverse video any less of a
shock to the eyesight).  And I've lost count of the number of times I've
gone more than once around a buffer doing an isearch, because I failed to
hear the non-existant beep telling me I had already gone around once.  A
simple visual notification in the status area is not enough, because
almost by definition the entire screen is changing every isearch anyway,
so a few extra words saying "failing i-search" doesn't get noticed.

-- 
TimC
cat /kat/ n.  A furry keyboard cover






             reply	other threads:[~2008-11-17  7:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-17  7:32 Tim Connors [this message]
2008-11-17  7:37 ` bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bellinstead Jason Spiro
2008-11-17  8:01   ` Sven Joachim
2008-11-17  8:19     ` bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visualbellinstead Drew Adams
2008-11-17 14:52   ` bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bellinstead Stefan Monnier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-11-09  1:50 bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Jason Spiro
2008-11-09  3:57 ` bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bellinstead Drew Adams
2008-11-09  4:08   ` Jason Spiro
2008-11-09 19:17     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-11-09 19:04   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-11-09 19:19     ` Drew Adams
2008-11-09 20:00       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-11-10  2:07         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-10  6:28           ` Drew Adams
2008-11-10  8:34           ` Lennart Borgman
2008-11-10 15:22             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-10 16:58               ` Lennart Borgman
2008-11-11 18:38                 ` Jason A. Spiro
2008-11-10 22:17           ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-11-11 18:50             ` Jason Spiro
2008-11-12  3:33               ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-11-13  7:41                 ` Jason Spiro

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