* bug#37627: Document how to bypass the Easy Customization interface
@ 2019-10-04 23:55 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2019-10-05 7:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-05 13:21 ` Richard Stallman
0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson @ 2019-10-04 23:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 37627
On (info "(emacs) Easy Customization") we read
...
To browse and alter settings (both variables and faces), type ‘M-x
customize’. This creates a “customization buffer”, which lets you
navigate through a logically organized list of settings, edit and set
their values, and save them permanently.
Please add:
However certain older users are bad at using interfaces to set
variables and just want to set them the old fashioned way by hand
with setq in their .emacs file. It gives them more feelings of
control. For them, please see the final section below.
And to
* Menu:
* Customization Groups:: How settings are classified.
* Browsing Custom:: Browsing and searching for settings.
* Changing a Variable:: How to edit an option’s value and set the option.
* Saving Customizations:: Saving customizations for future Emacs sessions.
* Face Customization:: How to edit the attributes of a face.
* Specific Customization:: Customizing specific settings or groups.
* Custom Themes:: Collections of customization settings.
* Creating Custom Themes:: How to create a new custom theme.
Please add
* Setting via .emacs:: Bypassing the Customization Interface
And in that section say:
Let's say you see in some .el file
(defvar csv-comment-start nil
"String that starts a comment line, or nil if no comment syntax.
Such comment lines are ignored by CSV mode commands.
This variable is buffer local\; its default value is that of
`csv-comment-start-default'. It is set by the function
`csv-set-comment-start' -- do not set it directly!")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'csv-comment-start)
(defcustom csv-comment-start-default "#"
"String that starts a comment line, or nil if no comment syntax.
Such comment lines are ignored by CSV mode commands.
Default value of buffer-local variable `csv-comment-start'.
Changing this variable does not affect any existing CSV mode buffer."
:type '(choice (const :tag "None" nil) string)
:set (lambda (variable value)
(custom-set-default variable value)
(setq-default csv-comment-start value)))
And we simply want to set the comment start to nil in our .emacs. But we
are scared by the warning about not setting it directly, and we *do not
want to use the "customization interface" to set it, we just want to set
it in our .emacs with a single setq or whatever line*.
Well no reason for despair. In your .emacs simply do
(setq csv-comment-start-default nil)
So it turns out whenever you see a "defcustom", you can just use setq
to set it in your .emacs, without needing help from the Customization
Interface if you don't want it.
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* bug#37627: Document how to bypass the Easy Customization interface
2019-10-04 23:55 bug#37627: Document how to bypass the Easy Customization interface 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
@ 2019-10-05 7:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-05 13:21 ` Richard Stallman
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2019-10-05 7:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson; +Cc: 37627
tags 37627 notabug wontfix
close 37627
thanks
> From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
> <jidanni@jidanni.org>
> Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2019 07:55:11 +0800
>
> On (info "(emacs) Easy Customization") we read
>
> ...
>
> To browse and alter settings (both variables and faces), type ‘M-x
> customize’. This creates a “customization buffer”, which lets you
> navigate through a logically organized list of settings, edit and set
> their values, and save them permanently.
>
> Please add:
>
> However certain older users are bad at using interfaces to set
> variables and just want to set them the old fashioned way by hand
> with setq in their .emacs file. It gives them more feelings of
> control. For them, please see the final section below.
Sorry, no. We do want users to use this interface, and those "old
users" already know how to use setq.
I'm therefore closing this bug report.
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* bug#37627: Document how to bypass the Easy Customization interface
2019-10-04 23:55 bug#37627: Document how to bypass the Easy Customization interface 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2019-10-05 7:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2019-10-05 13:21 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-05 15:10 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2019-10-05 13:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ç©ä¸¹å°¼ Dan Jacobson; +Cc: 37627
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> However certain older users are bad at using interfaces to set
> variables and just want to set them the old fashioned way by hand
> with setq in their .emacs file. It gives them more feelings of
> control. For them, please see the final section below.
The purpose is a good one, but (speaking as one of those users) I find
it condescending. I suggest these words instead:
Some users prefer to write code in @file{.emacs} to set these
variables, perhaps because they are already accustomed to that method,
or perhaps because they would rather get ``closer to the metal.'' For
instructions, see the final section below.
--
Dr Richard Stallman
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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* bug#37627: Document how to bypass the Easy Customization interface
2019-10-05 13:21 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2019-10-05 15:10 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2019-10-05 16:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson @ 2019-10-05 15:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Richard Stallman; +Cc: 37627
>>>>> "RMS" == Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
RMS> The purpose is a good one, but (speaking as one of those users) I find
RMS> it condescending. I suggest these words instead:
RMS> Some users prefer to write code in @file{.emacs} to set these
RMS> variables, perhaps because they are already accustomed to that method,
RMS> or perhaps because they would rather get ``closer to the metal.'' For
RMS> instructions, see the final section below.
Bingo!
Also only .emacs is guaranteed to be thankfully not in a constant fight
about who is editing it. (Won that battle.) Yup, one's changes will be
still there not tampered with. Plus I am not a six-year old, so I don't
want to be *forced* to use a "helpful interface" (which actually just
adds a layer of confusion for me.)
And I actually don't really know how to bypass it. I just guessed. So
please document it. "For users who hate the helpful interface." Thanks.
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* bug#37627: Document how to bypass the Easy Customization interface
2019-10-05 15:10 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
@ 2019-10-05 16:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-07 6:55 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2019-10-05 16:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson; +Cc: 37627, rms
> From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
> <jidanni@jidanni.org>
> Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2019 23:10:58 +0800
> Cc: 37627@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> I don't want to be *forced* to use a "helpful interface"
Nothing the manual says forces you to do anything. The manual is
written to _help_ you get things done. If what it says doesn't help
in your case, just ignore what it says.
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* bug#37627: Document how to bypass the Easy Customization interface
2019-10-05 16:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2019-10-07 6:55 ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson @ 2019-10-07 6:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 37627, rms
Fine. "Proprietary interface with no documentation forthcoming on how to bypass."
"My mistake" (PeeWee Herman)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVKsd8z6scw
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