From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#37627: Document how to bypass the Easy Customization interface Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2019 23:10:58 +0800 Message-ID: <87eezrut19.8.fsf@jidanni.org> References: <87muegjcbk.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="264848"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 37627@debbugs.gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 05 17:12:12 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iGlj9-0016kA-JI for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2019 17:12:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57282 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iGlj8-0005hu-BP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2019 11:12:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40347) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iGlj1-0005hn-Db for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2019 11:12:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iGlj0-0005tk-Ey for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2019 11:12:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:36199) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iGlj0-0005tg-C9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2019 11:12:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iGlj0-0000SA-5A for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2019 11:12:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87muegjcbk.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2019 15:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37627 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix notabug Original-Received: via spool by 37627-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37627.15702882721687 (code B ref 37627); Sat, 05 Oct 2019 15:12:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 37627) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2019 15:11:12 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45020 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iGliC-0000R8-Gm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2019 11:11:12 -0400 Original-Received: from cadetblue.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.28]:45678) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iGli9-0000Qz-KV for 37627@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2019 11:11:10 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B35580FD1; Sat, 5 Oct 2019 15:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a47.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-45-148.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.45.148]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A6070580A1E; Sat, 5 Oct 2019 15:11:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a47.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.3); Sat, 05 Oct 2019 15:11:08 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Exultant-Fumbling: 23ab64977836ff15_1570288268153_1088757661 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1570288268153:3830081424 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1570288268152 Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a47.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a47.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E9F81EE1; Sat, 5 Oct 2019 08:11:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=d3l/LqNV4TuLw9ZJMXJUCnlcg60=; b=BK4NMP4GWEvUT 2JV96hglk8Yo/j1nsnu71HTwKxif3IT0G6pHo38qrUfHSgnSqI5bRCDBsRKsibpP IDbt+qRc5vvC8TxFbUIk7a9U/Rqry3eKPvDSMzvAgsmhnJ9OR0YJOCZ3u8JD6FBk PSwgKgALYNJIsP+dCP4W3jGlUnGLag= Original-Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-16-62.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.16.62]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a47.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C03EA81866; Sat, 5 Oct 2019 08:11:01 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a47 X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrheefgdekjecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephffvufhffffkgggtsehttdertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpejnnjjnucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqeenucfkphepuddugedrgedurdduiedriedvnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddugedrgedurdduiedriedvpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeeprehuthhfqdekreeureehiehmpfehnfhiheehsgevkeerpecuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpnhhrtghpthhtohepfeejiedvjeesuggvsggsuhhgshdrghhnuhdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:168380 Archived-At: >>>>> "RMS" == Richard Stallman writes: RMS> The purpose is a good one, but (speaking as one of those users) I find RMS> it condescending. I suggest these words instead: RMS> Some users prefer to write code in @file{.emacs} to set these RMS> variables, perhaps because they are already accustomed to that method, RMS> or perhaps because they would rather get ``closer to the metal.'' For RMS> instructions, see the final section below. Bingo! Also only .emacs is guaranteed to be thankfully not in a constant fight about who is editing it. (Won that battle.) Yup, one's changes will be still there not tampered with. Plus I am not a six-year old, so I don't want to be *forced* to use a "helpful interface" (which actually just adds a layer of confusion for me.) And I actually don't really know how to bypass it. I just guessed. So please document it. "For users who hate the helpful interface." Thanks.