midi

midi

[Gottfried]

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Hi,

I can’t play midi files or lilypond files ending ly.
In Musescore PulseAudio is used and I can listen to the songs.
In Lilypond or Frescobaldi I can’t listen. No sound.

I checked in Guix packages and there are many midi packages.
Which one should I install, hoping it will work.
I have got timidity++ installed in the lilypond profile but it does not 
work.

Has somebody got experience about midi?
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Kind regards

Gottfried


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Re: midi

[Marek Paśnikowski]

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środa, 22 marca 2023 17:57, Gottfried <gottfried@posteo.de> napisał(a):

> I can’t play midi files or lilypond files ending ly.
> In Musescore PulseAudio is used and I can listen to the songs.
> In Lilypond or Frescobaldi I can’t listen. No sound.

Why don't you just use MuseScore?
I am aware that the MuseScore-Sheet service has had some shady practices recently.
However, the notation software itself is independent of that situation.
I am of opinion, that the situation /could/ be an act sabotage by a competitor.

If you use YouTube, I suggest to find Tantacrul's channel.
Tantacrul is the lead designer of MuseScore, who posted excellent videos reviewing a couple of professional-grade notation programs.
I am not a musician myself, but I was able to understand how great MuseScore 4 is.

Re: midi

[Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide]

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Marek Paśnikowski <marekpasnikowski@protonmail.com> writes:

> ------- Original Message -------
> środa, 22 marca 2023 17:57, Gottfried <gottfried@posteo.de> napisał(a):
>
>> I can’t play midi files or lilypond files ending ly.
>> In Musescore PulseAudio is used and I can listen to the songs.
>> In Lilypond or Frescobaldi I can’t listen. No sound.
>
> Why don't you just use MuseScore?
> I am aware that the MuseScore-Sheet service has had some shady practices recently.
> However, the notation software itself is independent of that situation.
> I am of opinion, that the situation /could/ be an act sabotage by a competitor.

Isn’t the service run by the people who develop Musescore? If so, how
should shady practices be sabotage?

Best wishes,
Arne
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ohne es zu merken.
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Re: midi

[Gottfried]

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Hi,

I don’t understand much about music theory, so I was looking for a music 
notation programme WYSIWYG.
I woudn’t be able to use lilypond e.g. some years ago.

Some shady practices hint to certain problems,
they need money and misuse people.
Of course, the developers are not included in that ... I guess.

I don’t want to investigate that, I have better things to do,
but if you have an ethical understanding of "loving/helping people",
such things shouldn’t happen.

But now, after learning musescore I can imagine to switch slowly to 
lilypond,
but of course it takes time to learn.
Lilypond is GNU-Projekt AFAIU
so it has a better background and I guess people are not mistreated.
It is always better, if possible, to use GNU packages
because we all now why.

But for now I have to solve my midi problem
in order to be able to use lilypond at all.

Kind regards

Gottfried


Am 23.03.23 um 15:17 schrieb Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide:
> 
> Marek Paśnikowski <marekpasnikowski@protonmail.com> writes:
> 
>> ------- Original Message -------
>> środa, 22 marca 2023 17:57, Gottfried <gottfried@posteo.de> napisał(a):
>>
>>> I can’t play midi files or lilypond files ending ly.
>>> In Musescore PulseAudio is used and I can listen to the songs.
>>> In Lilypond or Frescobaldi I can’t listen. No sound.
>>
>> Why don't you just use MuseScore?
>> I am aware that the MuseScore-Sheet service has had some shady practices recently.
>> However, the notation software itself is independent of that situation.
>> I am of opinion, that the situation /could/ be an act sabotage by a competitor.
> 
> Isn’t the service run by the people who develop Musescore? If so, how
> should shady practices be sabotage?
> 
> Best wishes,
> Arne

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Re: midi

[Marek Paśnikowski]

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czwartek, 23 marca 2023 17:48, Gottfried <gottfried@posteo.de>:

> Some shady practices hint to certain problems,
> they need money and misuse people.
> Of course, the developers are not included in that ... I guess.

I want to make clear a different distinction -
software should not be judged on basis of its creators.
One of the benefits of software freedom is that anyone can take over projects gone wrong.

> I don’t want to investigate that, I have better things to do,
> but if you have an ethical understanding of "loving/helping people",
> such things shouldn’t happen.

Be careful with this understanding.
GPL is based on very precise, technical definitions of the four freedoms
in order to avoid any emotional biases.
Many tyrannical governments were sold on this premise of "helping the oppressed society".

> Lilypond is GNU-Projekt AFAIU
> so it has a better background and I guess people are not mistreated.
> It is always better, if possible, to use GNU packages
> because we all now why.

MuseScore is also GPL3-licensed,
why would you deem it "worse" just because it is not under the GNU umbrella?
I suggest to rethink this decision in a rational way -
you may be surprised by the results.

> But for now I have to solve my midi problem
> in order to be able to use lilypond at all.

At the end of the day,
it is your free choice to use different software.
I am sorry that I am not able to provide helpful advice regarding Lilypond.

> Am 23.03.23 um 15:17 schrieb Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide:
> 
> > Marek Paśnikowski marekpasnikowski@protonmail.com writes:
> > 
> > > ------- Original Message -------
> > > środa, 22 marca 2023 17:57, Gottfried gottfried@posteo.de napisał(a):
> > > 
> > > > I can’t play midi files or lilypond files ending ly.
> > > > In Musescore PulseAudio is used and I can listen to the songs.
> > > > In Lilypond or Frescobaldi I can’t listen. No sound.
> > > 
> > > Why don't you just use MuseScore?
> > > I am aware that the MuseScore-Sheet service has had some shady practices recently.
> > > However, the notation software itself is independent of that situation.
> > > I am of opinion, that the situation /could/ be an act sabotage by a competitor.
> > 
> > Isn’t the service run by the people who develop Musescore? If so, how
> > should shady practices be sabotage?

Look at the Microsoft's takeover of Nokia
when they were about to release the first real-Linux phone
for an example of a similar sabotage.

We should not throw the baby out with the bathwater here.
If Musescore is GPL3, is the best free music notation software created,
it just works and happens to have some bad people associated with its brand -
maybe we should boycott those people instead of boycotting the software?

With regards,
Marek Pasnikowski

Re: midi

[Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide]

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Marek Paśnikowski <marekpasnikowski@protonmail.com> writes:

> MuseScore is also GPL3-licensed,
> why would you deem it "worse" just because it is not under the GNU umbrella?
> I suggest to rethink this decision in a rational way -
> you may be surprised by the results.

Being under the GNU umbrella means that the software can be utilized
strategically to further Software Freedom.

Also who maintains a community makes a difference to the direction of
development. The typical GNU project is longer-lived than the typical
other Free Software project.

> We should not throw the baby out with the bathwater here.
> If Musescore is GPL3, is the best free music notation software
> created,

I disagree with the second point, because that’s lilypond :-)

> it just works and happens to have some bad people associated with its brand -
> maybe we should boycott those people instead of boycotting the software?

Is there already a fork with a different community?

Best wishes,
Arne
-- 
Unpolitisch sein
heißt politisch sein,
ohne es zu merken.
draketo.de

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Midi

[Andreas Enge]

Hello,

another message for Ricardo or anyone else interested in sound:
Have we already got an application to play midi files on guix?
I used to use timidity (with an appropriate rather large soundfont),
but maybe there are better choices nowadays?

I would not need anything fancy, even a translator midi->wav would
be fine for me.

Andreas

Re: Midi

[Ricardo Wurmus]

Andreas Enge writes:

> another message for Ricardo or anyone else interested in sound:
> Have we already got an application to play midi files on guix?
> I used to use timidity (with an appropriate rather large soundfont),
> but maybe there are better choices nowadays?

I know of no alternatives to timidity when it comes to a simple MIDI
player.  I wanted to package it a while ago but didn't get around to it.

Ardour 3 also comes with a MIDI sequencer; in combination with LV2 synth
plugins you could already get MIDI playback, but that's admittedly a
very heavy solution unless you already have Ardour running anyway.

Re: Midi

[Andreas Enge]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 05:17:54PM +0100, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
> I know of no alternatives to timidity when it comes to a simple MIDI
> player.  I wanted to package it a while ago but didn't get around to it.

If you feel like doing it, it would be very welcome!

Andreas

Re: Midi

[宋文武]

Andreas Enge <andreas@enge.fr> writes:

> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 05:17:54PM +0100, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
>> I know of no alternatives to timidity when it comes to a simple MIDI
>> player.  I wanted to package it a while ago but didn't get around to it.
>
> If you feel like doing it, it would be very welcome!
I sent a patch to add wildmidi, a simple midi player.
But I haven't test it ;-)
>
> Andreas

Re: Midi

[Andreas Enge]

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 02:36:37PM +0800, 宋文武 wrote:
> I sent a patch to add wildmidi, a simple midi player.
> But I haven't test it ;-)

Thanks for the suggestion! As such, it does not work:
libWildMidi(_WM_BufferFile:132): ERROR Unable to stat /etc/wildmidi/wildmidi.cfg (No such file or directory)

The configuration file tells the program where to find sound patches.
So in any case, we would need sound patches and/or a sound font to play
anything.

Andreas

Re: Midi

[Ricardo Wurmus]

FYI: I'm currently packaging TiMidity++.  We may still need to package a
basic soundfont.

~~ Ricardo

Re: Midi

[Andreas Enge]

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:16:08PM +0100, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
> FYI: I'm currently packaging TiMidity++.  We may still need to package a
> basic soundfont.

Debian recommends freepats:
   http://freepats.zenvoid.org/
It also contains fluid-soundfont-gm and fluid-soundfont-gs, but I did not
find a homepage with "source" for them.

I suppose that timidity should depend on a soundfont and then include a
corresponding configuration file (which could be created as part of the
soundfont, and maybe sourced into the main timidity configuration file).

Andreas