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From: Liliana Marie Prikler <liliana.prikler@gmail.com>
To: Maxime Devos <maximedevos@telenet.be>, taylan.kammer@gmail.com
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [minor patch] Amend CoC
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2022 20:30:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <db963487feba051af2f807dd3c52f2abc9dacc6b.camel@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f295cc4142448c83841cac8bcbc78795961fe93d.camel@telenet.be>

Hi Maxime,

Am Sonntag, dem 20.02.2022 um 19:45 +0100 schrieb Maxime Devos:
> Liliana Marie Prikler schreef op zo 20-02-2022 om 19:05 [+0100]:
> > > Note: The upstream Contributor Covenant wouldn't want to include
> > > it because the author seems to have a peculiar world-view where
> > > they don't acknowledge that humans actually have a sex.  I hope
> > > the Guix maintainers are more reasonable than that. :-)
> > Sorry, but tracking down the issue you submitted towards the
> > contributor covenant, it appears to me that you are the misguided
> > one.
> > The CoC already prohibits discrimination based on gender identity,
> > sexual identity and sexual orientation.  If you identify your
> > gender as your sex, whatever that might be, you are thereby already
> > protected.
> > 
> > The wording you chose (intentionally or otherwise) tries to
> > invalidate other people's gender identity and thus violates the
> > CoC.
> 
> Ignoring upstream's context and whether Taylan Kammer is misguided or
> not, listing sex among the list could be useful if a potential
> harasser H who understands the difference between sex and gender and
> knows that V has sex A not corresponding to gender B under current
> social convention, and H would harass V over their sex (but H is fine
> with V's gender).
> 
> To me, this seems a rather contrived scenario though ...
In this "contrived" scenario Harold would still (intentionally or
otherwise) be discriminating Victor·ia over their gender by publicly
pointing out the disconnect between the two.  In the daily experience
of trans people, such remarks typically serve to invalidate their
identities.


  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-20 19:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-20 18:05 [minor patch] Amend CoC Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-02-20 18:45 ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-20 19:30   ` Liliana Marie Prikler [this message]
2022-02-20 20:56   ` Jonathan McHugh
2022-02-20 21:12     ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-02-20 21:47     ` Jonathan McHugh
2022-02-20 19:43 ` Taylan Kammer
2022-02-20 21:37   ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2022-02-20 22:01     ` Taylan Kammer
2022-02-21 16:18       ` Christine Lemmer-Webber
2022-02-21 16:01   ` Christine Lemmer-Webber
2022-02-22 17:16     ` Taylan Kammer
2022-02-23  9:48       ` Andy Wingo
2022-02-23 10:10         ` Oliver Propst
2022-02-20 19:47 ` Mark H Weaver
2022-02-20 21:02   ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-02-20 22:45     ` Taylan Kammer
2022-02-21  8:24       ` Tissevert
2022-02-21 21:03       ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-02-21 21:11         ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-02-23 11:38 Blake Shaw
2022-02-20 21:37 Blake Shaw
2022-02-20 13:02 Taylan Kammer
2022-02-20 13:10 ` Julien Lepiller
2022-02-20 13:16   ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2022-02-20 16:29     ` Taylan Kammer
2022-02-20 17:44       ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2022-02-20 16:19   ` Taylan Kammer

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