From: Julie Marchant <onpon4@riseup.net>
To: Workgroup for fully free GNU/Linux distributions
<gnu-linux-libre@nongnu.org>, Brett Gilio <brettg@posteo.net>,
bill-auger <bill-auger@peers.community>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ungoogled-chromium.
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 09:18:58 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a44944b0-cba4-b5b4-b6e5-f975fc321103@riseup.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87va1kav33.fsf@posteo.net>
On 02/16/2019 05:25 AM, Brett Gilio wrote:
> I agree with everything Bill said in his message, and I heavily
> encourage all of us lurking in this mailing list with an opinion on the
> matter to please state your opinion on this controversy and the Guix
> relationship to the FSDG.
>
> The free software guidelines are first and foremost put up by the free
> software community by what is specified to be important to the values of
> free software. This needs to be addressed sooner than later, because the
> act of solidarity on the part of the community here is a tremendously
> crucial and singular event.
>
> I'd like to see the offerings of free software to grow, and include
> chromium if chromium has a reasonable method of liberation. But there is
> yet to be a complete audit to identify the problems. We can not rely
> solely on speculation, so lets get to the bottom of this once and for
> all.
I think that assuming Chromium is no good until something no good is
found in it is a wrong approach.
I don't understand what's so complicated about this issue. In justice
systems, we adopt an "innocent until proven guilty" system because you
can't really prove innocence, only guilt. Would it not make sense to use
this tried and tested system when evaluating whether or not a program is
libre? The only argument I've seen on the matter is the way copyright
works, but Chromium is under the Modified BSD License according to
documentation I was able to find. If some files are not actually covered
by this license, or some other license, it would be very easy to simply
point to the file. As far as I know, and correct me if I'm wrong here,
no one in the entire history of this claim about Chromium being
proprietary has ever done so. If I'm wrong about this, though, then it
seems to me that the correct action to take would be to address that
issue, if not upstream, then in a fork.
--
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Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-08-07 19:58 [bug#28004] Chromium Marius Bakke
2017-08-07 20:23 ` ng0
2017-08-07 21:16 ` Marius Bakke
2017-08-08 5:53 ` ng0
2017-08-08 13:18 ` ng0
2017-08-08 14:22 ` ng0
2017-08-08 15:44 ` ng0
2017-08-08 18:59 ` ng0
2017-08-08 19:51 ` Leo Famulari
2017-08-08 20:46 ` ng0
2017-08-10 5:31 ` Efraim Flashner
2017-08-31 7:36 ` ng0
2017-10-10 13:19 ` ng0
2017-10-11 19:52 ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-10-12 19:56 ` Leo Famulari
2017-10-12 20:28 ` ng0
2017-10-13 6:51 ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-10-18 22:41 ` Marius Bakke
2017-10-19 5:48 ` ng0
2017-10-24 21:11 ` Marius Bakke
2017-11-05 23:52 ` Marius Bakke
2017-11-10 11:33 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-01-04 19:16 ` ng0
2018-01-08 21:56 ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-08 23:20 ` ng0
2018-01-08 23:40 ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-12 0:09 ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-13 19:02 ` ng0
2018-01-13 19:13 ` ng0
2018-01-14 12:10 ` ng0
2018-01-16 14:18 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-16 19:01 ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-16 19:09 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-01-16 19:22 ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-16 20:41 ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-17 8:53 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-17 14:55 ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-02-26 18:18 ` Marius Bakke
2018-02-26 20:01 ` ng0
2018-02-26 20:06 ` Marius Bakke
2018-02-26 20:34 ` ng0
2018-02-26 22:41 ` Björn Höfling
2018-02-27 21:57 ` ng0
2018-02-28 17:38 ` Marius Bakke
2018-02-28 18:09 ` Björn Höfling
2018-03-16 17:30 ` ng0
2018-03-16 17:45 ` Marius Bakke
2018-03-16 17:52 ` ng0
2018-07-25 8:08 ` ng0
2018-08-05 13:04 ` Marius Bakke
2018-08-05 16:18 ` ng0
2018-08-05 18:25 ` Marius Bakke
2018-08-05 20:32 ` ng0
2018-08-05 23:58 ` ng0
2018-08-30 13:25 ` ng0
2018-08-06 8:22 ` Oleg Pykhalov
2018-08-30 6:04 ` Amirouche Boubekki
2018-03-16 19:01 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-03-16 19:34 ` ng0
2018-03-16 21:20 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-02-27 22:17 ` ng0
2018-02-28 17:14 ` Marius Bakke
2018-02-27 2:00 ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-02-28 8:17 ` ng0
2018-02-28 17:28 ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-16 20:04 ` ng0
2018-01-09 6:58 ` ng0
2018-01-12 0:03 ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-12 9:38 ` ng0
2018-02-26 18:19 ` [bug#28004] [PATCH] gnu: Add chromium Marius Bakke
2018-04-13 19:10 ` [bug#28004] Chromium 65 Marius Bakke
2018-04-17 19:10 ` Oleg Pykhalov
2018-04-24 17:05 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-04-24 18:08 ` [bug#28004] Chromium 66 + status update Marius Bakke
2018-04-24 18:45 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-04-24 18:48 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-04-24 18:46 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-04-24 19:30 ` Marius Bakke
2018-04-25 17:00 ` Leo Famulari
2018-04-25 17:02 ` Leo Famulari
2018-05-03 17:49 ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-03 17:58 ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-04 12:10 ` Marius Bakke
2018-05-04 13:02 ` Nils Gillmann
2018-08-29 23:31 ` [bug#28004] (no subject) Amirouche Boubekki
2018-09-02 4:37 ` [bug#28004] Chromium FSDG requirements Mark H Weaver
2018-09-02 13:16 ` Marius Bakke
2019-02-02 19:20 ` [PATCH] gnu: Add ungoogled-chromium Marius Bakke
2019-02-03 18:16 ` Joshua Branson
2019-02-04 4:52 ` bill-auger
2019-02-04 5:52 ` brettg
2019-02-04 7:46 ` Ineiev
2019-02-04 10:56 ` bill-auger
2019-02-04 14:43 ` Jean Louis
2019-02-04 12:26 ` [GNU-linux-libre] " Julie Marchant
2019-02-04 15:03 ` bill-auger
2019-02-04 13:46 ` [bug#28004] " Leo Famulari
2019-02-04 14:47 ` bill-auger
2019-02-04 22:34 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-02-04 22:34 ` [bug#28004] " Ludovic Courtès
2019-02-06 21:04 ` [GNU-linux-libre] " Marius Bakke
2019-02-07 23:52 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2019-02-07 23:59 ` Julie Marchant
2019-02-16 8:00 ` bill-auger
2019-02-16 10:25 ` Brett Gilio
2019-02-16 14:18 ` Julie Marchant [this message]
2019-02-16 15:37 ` [GNU-linux-libre] " Adam Van Ymeren
2019-02-16 19:47 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2019-02-16 20:01 ` Brett Gilio
2019-02-16 20:06 ` Brett Gilio
2019-02-17 1:39 ` bill-auger
2019-02-17 22:33 ` [GNU-linux-libre] " Ricardo Wurmus
2019-02-18 12:05 ` bill-auger
2019-02-18 12:15 ` Hartmut Goebel
2019-02-18 13:44 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2019-02-18 19:22 ` Simon Nielsen
2019-02-19 20:45 ` [GNU-linux-libre] " bill-auger
[not found] ` <671b6c83-0ed0-84eb-4cc5-b6a8fd14cb90@fsf.org>
[not found] ` <20190220010728.3426713f@parabola>
[not found] ` <87r2c2ms4l.fsf@fastmail.com>
[not found] ` <20190220114742.0d2034fb@parabola>
[not found] ` <87ftsim7qc.fsf@fastmail.com>
[not found] ` <1740db7c-29c4-137e-85b7-33c9a6b71b16@hyperbola.info>
2019-02-21 8:02 ` bug#34605: ungoogled-chromium: proprietary codecs enabled? Giovanni Biscuolo
2019-02-21 15:50 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2021-11-14 1:29 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2019-02-16 20:07 ` [GNU-linux-libre] [PATCH] gnu: Add ungoogled-chromium Alex Griffin
2019-02-17 1:49 ` bill-auger
2019-02-17 1:37 ` bill-auger
2019-02-17 2:30 ` Julie Marchant
2019-02-17 2:42 ` bill-auger
2019-02-17 4:19 ` Julie Marchant
2019-02-17 7:43 ` bill-auger
2019-02-17 14:06 ` Julie Marchant
2019-02-18 7:43 ` bill-auger
2019-02-17 20:55 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2019-02-16 11:16 ` Gábor Boskovits
2019-02-16 12:55 ` ng0
2019-02-16 13:10 ` Gábor Boskovits
2019-02-18 13:47 ` Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
2019-02-16 15:10 ` znavko
2019-02-16 15:50 ` Marius Bakke
2019-02-16 16:20 ` [GNU-linux-libre] " Amin Bandali
2019-02-16 16:33 ` Marius Bakke
2019-02-16 19:27 ` Amin Bandali
2019-02-17 2:20 ` bill-auger
2019-02-16 16:34 ` Alexandre Oliva
2019-02-16 16:54 ` Marius Bakke
2019-02-17 3:38 ` bill-auger
2019-02-16 18:56 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2019-02-19 16:28 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2019-02-09 14:04 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2019-02-03 20:21 ` Amin Bandali
2019-02-05 5:22 ` [bug#28004] " swedebugia
2019-02-05 5:22 ` swedebugia
2019-02-12 15:58 ` [PATCH v2] " Marius Bakke
2019-02-18 22:43 ` [bug#28004] " Marius Bakke
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