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From: Julie Marchant <onpon4@riseup.net>
To: Workgroup for fully free GNU/Linux distributions
	<gnu-linux-libre@nongnu.org>,
	bill-auger <bill-auger@peers.community>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ungoogled-chromium.
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 23:19:19 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6b742589-eaf4-abf7-3ebf-29d503aeee24@riseup.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190216214255.3d7edc8d@parabola>

On 02/16/2019 09:42 PM, bill-auger wrote:
> Julie -
> 
> that was all just a long winded re-statement of the "we should always
> trust the upstream blindly" argument - i think the Great Wise Old Gnu
> would conclude that is a very unwise general policy; and especially
> unwise when that particular upstream is well-known for its code being
> non-FSDG free

Just to repeat the disclaimer, I'm not a lawyer and none of this is
legal advice.

I don't see why you're bringing "trust" into this. I've been trying to
argue that it has nothing to do with the issue. If the copyright holder
of a work says you're allowed to use it under X conditions, you are.
There's no "trust" there. You can't say that someone is allowed to do X
and then claim later that they weren't *really* allowed to do X.

I feel like I already gave this analogy at some point, but it's like
your "trust" that Walmart permits you to enter the store and shop. You
don't demand proof that you're allowed to shop at Walmart; it's implied
by the fact that the doors are unlocked and the building is enticing you
to go in. Similarly, Walmart can't just retroactively claim you weren't
really allowed in, even though you obviously were, and have you arrested
for trespassing. No, because of the conditions, if a Walmart wants to
keep you out, you have to be specifically told that you're not welcome.
They can't just call the police one day and have you arrested for
trespassing. Ergo, you don't need "trust".

The same sort of thing would apply to a licensing situation like this.
If the Chromium team says that Chromium is under the Modified BSD
License, then it *is* under the Modified BSD License, unless a
particular file says otherwise. The same applies to ungoogled-chromium
and its maintainer.

-- 
Julie Marchant
http://onpon4.github.io

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  reply	other threads:[~2019-02-17  4:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-07 19:58 [bug#28004] Chromium Marius Bakke
2017-08-07 20:23 ` ng0
2017-08-07 21:16   ` Marius Bakke
2017-08-08  5:53     ` ng0
2017-08-08 13:18     ` ng0
2017-08-08 14:22       ` ng0
2017-08-08 15:44         ` ng0
2017-08-08 18:59           ` ng0
2017-08-08 19:51           ` Leo Famulari
2017-08-08 20:46             ` ng0
2017-08-10  5:31 ` Efraim Flashner
2017-08-31  7:36   ` ng0
2017-10-10 13:19 ` ng0
2017-10-11 19:52   ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-10-12 19:56     ` Leo Famulari
2017-10-12 20:28       ` ng0
2017-10-13  6:51       ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-10-18 22:41         ` Marius Bakke
2017-10-19  5:48           ` ng0
2017-10-24 21:11           ` Marius Bakke
2017-11-05 23:52           ` Marius Bakke
2017-11-10 11:33             ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-01-04 19:16           ` ng0
2018-01-08 21:56             ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-08 23:20               ` ng0
2018-01-08 23:40                 ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-12  0:09                 ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-13 19:02                   ` ng0
2018-01-13 19:13                     ` ng0
2018-01-14 12:10                       ` ng0
2018-01-16 14:18                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-16 19:01                     ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-16 19:09                       ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-01-16 19:22                         ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-16 20:41                           ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-17  8:53                       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-17 14:55                       ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-02-26 18:18                         ` Marius Bakke
2018-02-26 20:01                           ` ng0
2018-02-26 20:06                             ` Marius Bakke
2018-02-26 20:34                               ` ng0
2018-02-26 22:41                               ` Björn Höfling
2018-02-27 21:57                                 ` ng0
2018-02-28 17:38                                 ` Marius Bakke
2018-02-28 18:09                                   ` Björn Höfling
2018-03-16 17:30                                   ` ng0
2018-03-16 17:45                                     ` Marius Bakke
2018-03-16 17:52                                       ` ng0
2018-07-25  8:08                                         ` ng0
2018-08-05 13:04                                           ` Marius Bakke
2018-08-05 16:18                                             ` ng0
2018-08-05 18:25                                               ` Marius Bakke
2018-08-05 20:32                                                 ` ng0
2018-08-05 23:58                                                   ` ng0
2018-08-30 13:25                                                     ` ng0
2018-08-06  8:22                                             ` Oleg Pykhalov
2018-08-30  6:04                                               ` Amirouche Boubekki
2018-03-16 19:01                                       ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-03-16 19:34                                         ` ng0
2018-03-16 21:20                                           ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-02-27 22:17                               ` ng0
2018-02-28 17:14                                 ` Marius Bakke
2018-02-27  2:00                           ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-02-28  8:17                             ` ng0
2018-02-28 17:28                             ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-16 20:04                     ` ng0
2018-01-09  6:58               ` ng0
2018-01-12  0:03                 ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-12  9:38                   ` ng0
2018-02-26 18:19 ` [bug#28004] [PATCH] gnu: Add chromium Marius Bakke
2018-04-13 19:10 ` [bug#28004] Chromium 65 Marius Bakke
2018-04-17 19:10   ` Oleg Pykhalov
2018-04-24 17:05   ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-04-24 18:08     ` [bug#28004] Chromium 66 + status update Marius Bakke
2018-04-24 18:45       ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-04-24 18:48         ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-04-24 18:46       ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-04-24 19:30         ` Marius Bakke
2018-04-25 17:00           ` Leo Famulari
2018-04-25 17:02           ` Leo Famulari
2018-05-03 17:49       ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-03 17:58         ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-04 12:10         ` Marius Bakke
2018-05-04 13:02           ` Nils Gillmann
2018-08-29 23:31 ` [bug#28004] (no subject) Amirouche Boubekki
2018-09-02  4:37 ` [bug#28004] Chromium FSDG requirements Mark H Weaver
2018-09-02 13:16   ` Marius Bakke
2019-02-02 19:20 ` [PATCH] gnu: Add ungoogled-chromium Marius Bakke
2019-02-03 18:16   ` Joshua Branson
2019-02-04  4:52     ` bill-auger
2019-02-04  5:52       ` brettg
2019-02-04  7:46       ` Ineiev
2019-02-04 10:56         ` bill-auger
2019-02-04 14:43           ` Jean Louis
2019-02-04 12:26       ` [GNU-linux-libre] " Julie Marchant
2019-02-04 15:03         ` bill-auger
2019-02-04 13:46       ` [bug#28004] " Leo Famulari
2019-02-04 14:47         ` bill-auger
2019-02-04 22:34       ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-02-04 22:34         ` [bug#28004] " Ludovic Courtès
2019-02-06 21:04         ` [GNU-linux-libre] " Marius Bakke
2019-02-07 23:52         ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2019-02-07 23:59           ` Julie Marchant
2019-02-16  8:00           ` bill-auger
2019-02-16 10:25             ` Brett Gilio
2019-02-16 14:18               ` Julie Marchant
2019-02-16 15:37                 ` [GNU-linux-libre] " Adam Van Ymeren
2019-02-16 19:47                 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2019-02-16 20:01                   ` Brett Gilio
2019-02-16 20:06                     ` Brett Gilio
2019-02-17  1:39                       ` bill-auger
2019-02-17 22:33                         ` [GNU-linux-libre] " Ricardo Wurmus
2019-02-18 12:05                           ` bill-auger
2019-02-18 12:15                             ` Hartmut Goebel
2019-02-18 13:44                             ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2019-02-18 19:22                               ` Simon Nielsen
2019-02-19 20:45                                 ` [GNU-linux-libre] " bill-auger
     [not found]                         ` <671b6c83-0ed0-84eb-4cc5-b6a8fd14cb90@fsf.org>
     [not found]                           ` <20190220010728.3426713f@parabola>
     [not found]                             ` <87r2c2ms4l.fsf@fastmail.com>
     [not found]                               ` <20190220114742.0d2034fb@parabola>
     [not found]                                 ` <87ftsim7qc.fsf@fastmail.com>
     [not found]                                   ` <1740db7c-29c4-137e-85b7-33c9a6b71b16@hyperbola.info>
2019-02-21  8:02                                     ` bug#34605: ungoogled-chromium: proprietary codecs enabled? Giovanni Biscuolo
2019-02-21 15:50                                       ` Ricardo Wurmus
2021-11-14  1:29                                         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2019-02-16 20:07                   ` [GNU-linux-libre] [PATCH] gnu: Add ungoogled-chromium Alex Griffin
2019-02-17  1:49                     ` bill-auger
2019-02-17  1:37                 ` bill-auger
2019-02-17  2:30                   ` Julie Marchant
2019-02-17  2:42                     ` bill-auger
2019-02-17  4:19                       ` Julie Marchant [this message]
2019-02-17  7:43                         ` bill-auger
2019-02-17 14:06                           ` Julie Marchant
2019-02-18  7:43                             ` bill-auger
2019-02-17 20:55                 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2019-02-16 11:16             ` Gábor Boskovits
2019-02-16 12:55               ` ng0
2019-02-16 13:10                 ` Gábor Boskovits
2019-02-18 13:47               ` Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
2019-02-16 15:10             ` znavko
2019-02-16 15:50             ` Marius Bakke
2019-02-16 16:20               ` [GNU-linux-libre] " Amin Bandali
2019-02-16 16:33                 ` Marius Bakke
2019-02-16 19:27                   ` Amin Bandali
2019-02-17  2:20                   ` bill-auger
2019-02-16 16:34               ` Alexandre Oliva
2019-02-16 16:54                 ` Marius Bakke
2019-02-17  3:38                 ` bill-auger
2019-02-16 18:56             ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2019-02-19 16:28               ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2019-02-09 14:04       ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2019-02-03 20:21   ` Amin Bandali
2019-02-05  5:22   ` [bug#28004] " swedebugia
2019-02-05  5:22     ` swedebugia
2019-02-12 15:58   ` [PATCH v2] " Marius Bakke
2019-02-18 22:43     ` [bug#28004] " Marius Bakke

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