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From: iyzsong@member.fsf.org (宋文武)
To: Hartmut Goebel <h.goebel@crazy-compilers.com>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: PYTHONPATH issue explanation
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 09:41:51 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87lgerwk9s.fsf@member.fsf.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <40dc2378-a039-fec8-55cd-23911f1642ab@crazy-compilers.com> (Hartmut Goebel's message of "Thu, 15 Mar 2018 20:30:41 +0100")

Hartmut Goebel <h.goebel@crazy-compilers.com> writes:

Hello,

> Hi,
>
> given the ongoing discussion around Python show that my explanation was
> not good enough. I'll try to summarize and give more background.

Thanks for the explanations and this one!

So I have more understanding of it and ideas...

>
> With regard to Python, guix currently has a major issue, which my
> proposals are addressing. There are other issues (like naming the
> executables, the "wrapper" script", etc.) which are not addressed
> here.
> [...]

Okay, the "major issue" is that we're using "PYTHONPATH", which will add
entries into "sys.path" before builtin ones.  It's semantically wrong
and may (or had?) cause issues.


> Part 3 of my analysis lists three solutions for this, where only number
> 2 and 3 are "good choices".

Option 2, "GUIX_PYTHONHOME_X_Y" can not be used in the build-system
unless we make a union of python inputs, so I think we should go for 1
and optional (later) add 3 too:

- "GUIX_PYTHON_X_Y_SITE_PACKAGES" (X.Y is not a valid env identifier
  in bash) is necessary for the "build" environment.

  We don't make a union of all the inputs in the "build" environment, so
  a PATH (contains multiples directories) like env have to be used to
  let python find all its "site-packages" from inputs.

  > Drawbacks: This might break Python appications expecting
  > site-packages to be below sys.prefix.

  We have a patch named "python-2.7-site-prefixes.patch" seems to handle
  this, maybe we should do it for python3 too?


- Avoid any environment variable for the "profile" environment.

  We have a union "profile" for all the python packages, so environment
  variables can be totally avoided with the help of "venv".

  > We could avoid GUIX-PYTHONHOME[23] if we stop resolving the symlinks
  > at the correct point in iteration.

  This is exactly what "venv" does!  We only need to make the "profile"
  a "venv" for python.  For python3, a simple "pyvenv.cfg" file is
  enough, for python2 I guess we have to make a union or copy files like
  what "virtualenv" does.


I plan to implement option 1 by adding a "sitecustomize.py" (better
than modify "site.py") into the python packages, and modify
"search-path-specification" to use "GUIX_PYTHON_X_Y_SITE_PACKAGES".

How's that sound?

  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-17  1:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-20 10:53 PYTHONPATH woes Ricardo Wurmus
2018-02-20 15:01 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-02-20 15:18   ` Andy Wingo
2018-02-20 16:40     ` Pjotr Prins
2018-02-20 15:30   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-02-21 21:58 ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-02-22 15:30   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-02-22 18:35     ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-02-22 20:42     ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-02-23  8:45       ` Vincent Legoll
2018-02-23 12:36     ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-02-23 16:59       ` Pjotr Prins
2018-02-23 19:36         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-02-23 23:54           ` Pjotr Prins
2018-02-24 10:44         ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-02-24 10:49           ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-02-27 11:43           ` PYTHONPATH issue analysis - part 1 (was: PYTHONPATH woes) Hartmut Goebel
2018-03-13 21:54             ` PYTHONPATH issue analysis - part 1 Hartmut Goebel
2018-02-27 11:49           ` PYTHONPATH issue analysis - part 2 (was: PYTHONPATH woes) Hartmut Goebel
2018-03-11 21:47           ` PYTHONPATH issue analysis - part 3 " Hartmut Goebel
2018-03-13 21:23             ` PYTHONPATH issue analysis - part 3 Ludovic Courtès
2018-03-13 21:44               ` Pjotr Prins
2018-03-13 22:02                 ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-03-14  7:49                   ` Pjotr Prins
2018-03-14  9:04                     ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-03-14 18:21                       ` Pjotr Prins
2018-03-15 19:48                     ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-03-13 21:47               ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-03-14  9:41                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-03-13 21:51               ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-03-14  0:10               ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-03-15  9:09                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-03-15 19:30             ` PYTHONPATH issue explanation Hartmut Goebel
2018-03-17  1:41               ` 宋文武 [this message]
2018-03-17 10:07                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-03-17 22:46                   ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-03-17 22:53                   ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-03-17 11:18                 ` [PATCH] gnu: python: Honor 'GUIX_PYTHON_X_Y_SITE_PACKAGES' 宋文武
2018-03-17 21:53                   ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-03-18  0:04                     ` 宋文武
2018-03-18  0:07                   ` 宋文武
2018-03-17 22:04                 ` PYTHONPATH issue explanation Hartmut Goebel
2018-03-18  0:57                   ` 宋文武
2018-03-18 10:05                     ` 宋文武
2018-03-24 20:47               ` Chris Marusich
2018-04-16 14:21             ` PYTHONPATH - let's systematically tame the baest Hartmut Goebel
2018-04-17  1:47               ` 宋文武
2018-04-17  7:03                 ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-04-18  8:34               ` Ricardo Wurmus

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