From: Giovanni Biscuolo <g@xelera.eu>
To: Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, 33600@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: CDN performance
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 13:40:19 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87imzpd70s.fsf@roquette.mug.biscuolo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874lbfd0sd.fsf@netris.org>
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Hi Mark,
sorry for the late reply
Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org> writes:
> Giovanni Biscuolo <g@xelera.eu> writes:
>> with a solid infrastructure of "scientifically" trustable build farms,
>> there are no reasons not to trust substitutes servers (this implies
>> working towards 100% reproducibility of GuixSD)
>
> What does "scientifically trustable" mean?
I'm still not able to elaborate on that (working on it, a sort of
self-research-hack project) but I'm referencing to this message related
to reduced bootstrap tarballs:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2018-11/msg00347.html
and the related reply by Jeremiah (unfortunately cannot find it in
archives, Message-ID: <877eh81tm4.fsf@ITSx01.pdp10.guru>)
in particular Jeremiah replied this:
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> so, if I don't get it wrong, every skilled engineer will be able to
> build an "almost analogic" (zero bit of software preloaded) computing
> machine ad use stage0/mes [1] as the "metre" [2] to calibrate all other
> computing machines (thanks to reproducible builds)?
well, I haven't thought of it in those terms but yes I guess that is one
of the properties of the plan.
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and
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> so, having the scientific proof that binary conforms to source, there
> will be noo need to trust (the untrastable)
Well, that is what someone else could do with it but not a direct goal
of the work.
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maybe a more correct definition of the above "scientific proof" should be
"mathematical proof"
I lack the theoretical basis to be more precise now, sorry :-S
a marketing-like campaign sould be "no more trusting trust"
best regards
Giovanni
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Giovanni Biscuolo
Xelera IT Infrastructures
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-12-19 12:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-12-03 15:43 [PATCH 0/3] Defaulting to ci.guix.info (aka. berlin.guixsd.org) Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-03 16:12 ` Using a CDN or some other mirror? Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-03 20:47 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-12-04 10:40 ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-12-04 14:05 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-04 17:03 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-12-04 17:58 ` Thompson, David
2018-12-05 2:32 ` Meiyo Peng
2018-12-05 5:38 ` Leo Famulari
2018-12-05 10:59 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-12-05 11:46 ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-12-07 14:05 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-09 9:44 ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-12-04 21:15 ` ng0
2018-12-04 21:50 ` Thompson, David
2018-12-05 9:28 ` ng0
2018-12-09 3:33 ` Chris Marusich
2018-12-09 12:12 ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-12-09 13:58 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-11 16:38 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2018-12-11 16:38 ` [bug#33600] " Giovanni Biscuolo
2018-12-14 8:35 ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-12-14 8:35 ` [bug#33600] " Hartmut Goebel
2018-12-14 9:02 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-12-14 14:48 ` Compressing nars with lzip or similar Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-14 14:48 ` [bug#33600] " Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-14 15:21 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-12-15 12:17 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-12-15 18:06 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-15 18:06 ` [bug#33600] " Ludovic Courtès
2019-03-05 11:36 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-12-15 18:04 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-14 14:45 ` Using a CDN or some other mirror? Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-09 15:59 ` CDN performance Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-11 5:17 ` Meiyo Peng
[not found] ` <CAAYZrgbOZYyKhaHzziWfKz-nHVcUWS6WCo4TAq8bbDn9=YMTZA@mail.gmail.com>
2018-12-11 5:59 ` Meiyo Peng
[not found] ` <CAAYZrgb431xW1RD0Hf0d15T3AiW5yZWLL6oqHsyanv1qSf8Zuw@mail.gmail.com>
2018-12-11 6:14 ` Meiyo Peng
2018-12-13 7:11 ` Chris Marusich
2018-12-17 6:48 ` Meiyo Peng
2018-12-17 6:48 ` [bug#33600] " Meiyo Peng
2018-12-21 10:22 ` Chris Marusich
2018-12-21 16:04 ` Meiyo Peng
2018-12-21 16:04 ` [bug#33600] " Meiyo Peng
2018-12-13 8:05 ` Chris Marusich
2018-12-13 10:41 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2018-12-15 1:40 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-12-19 12:40 ` Giovanni Biscuolo [this message]
2018-12-21 0:23 ` Trustworthiness of build farms (was Re: CDN performance) Mark H Weaver
2018-12-21 20:47 ` CDN performance Marius Bakke
2018-12-21 20:47 ` [bug#33600] " Marius Bakke
2018-12-24 14:47 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-12-14 10:26 ` guix.gnu.org sub-domain Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-15 23:20 ` Chris Marusich
2018-12-15 23:20 ` [bug#33600] " Chris Marusich
2019-01-25 4:54 ` Amin Bandali
2018-12-14 10:35 ` CDN performance Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-13 9:21 ` Using a CDN or some other mirror? Giovanni Biscuolo
2018-12-14 12:17 ` Chris Marusich
2018-12-03 18:20 ` [PATCH 0/3] Defaulting to ci.guix.info (aka. berlin.guixsd.org) Amin Bandali
2018-12-04 14:11 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-11 5:41 ` Amin Bandali
2018-12-03 23:44 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-12-04 5:55 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-12-04 5:55 ` [bug#33600] " Ricardo Wurmus
2018-12-04 9:03 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-04 10:08 ` Andreas Enge
2018-12-04 8:59 ` Andreas Enge
2018-12-04 10:28 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-04 10:46 ` Andreas Enge
2018-12-04 14:12 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-04 3:40 ` Meiyo Peng
2018-12-04 14:13 ` Ludovic Courtès
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