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From: Giovanni Biscuolo <g@xelera.eu>
To: Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, 33600@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: CDN performance
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 13:40:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87imzpd70s.fsf@roquette.mug.biscuolo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874lbfd0sd.fsf@netris.org>

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Hi Mark,

sorry for the late reply

Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org> writes:

> Giovanni Biscuolo <g@xelera.eu> writes:
>> with a solid infrastructure of "scientifically" trustable build farms,
>> there are no reasons not to trust substitutes servers (this implies
>> working towards 100% reproducibility of GuixSD)
>
> What does "scientifically trustable" mean?

I'm still not able to elaborate on that (working on it, a sort of
self-research-hack project) but I'm referencing to this message related
to reduced bootstrap tarballs:

  https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2018-11/msg00347.html

and the related reply by Jeremiah (unfortunately cannot find it in
archives, Message-ID: <877eh81tm4.fsf@ITSx01.pdp10.guru>)

in particular Jeremiah replied this:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> so, if I don't get it wrong, every skilled engineer will be able to
> build an "almost analogic" (zero bit of software preloaded) computing
> machine ad use stage0/mes [1] as the "metre" [2] to calibrate all other
> computing machines (thanks to reproducible builds)?

well, I haven't thought of it in those terms but yes I guess that is one
of the properties of the plan.
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

and

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> so, having the scientific proof that binary conforms to source, there
> will be noo need to trust (the untrastable)

Well, that is what someone else could do with it but not a direct goal
of the work.
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

maybe a more correct definition of the above "scientific proof" should be
"mathematical proof"

I lack the theoretical basis to be more precise now, sorry :-S

a marketing-like campaign sould be "no more trusting trust"

best regards
Giovanni

-- 
Giovanni Biscuolo

Xelera IT Infrastructures

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-12-19 12:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-12-03 15:43 [PATCH 0/3] Defaulting to ci.guix.info (aka. berlin.guixsd.org) Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-03 16:12 ` Using a CDN or some other mirror? Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-03 20:47   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-12-04 10:40   ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-12-04 14:05     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-04 17:03       ` Pjotr Prins
2018-12-04 17:58       ` Thompson, David
2018-12-05  2:32       ` Meiyo Peng
2018-12-05  5:38         ` Leo Famulari
2018-12-05 10:59         ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-12-05 11:46       ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-12-07 14:05         ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-09  9:44           ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-12-04 21:15     ` ng0
2018-12-04 21:50       ` Thompson, David
2018-12-05  9:28         ` ng0
2018-12-09  3:33   ` Chris Marusich
2018-12-09 12:12     ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-12-09 13:58       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-11 16:38         ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2018-12-11 16:38           ` [bug#33600] " Giovanni Biscuolo
2018-12-14  8:35         ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-12-14  8:35           ` [bug#33600] " Hartmut Goebel
2018-12-14  9:02           ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-12-14 14:48             ` Compressing nars with lzip or similar Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-14 14:48               ` [bug#33600] " Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-14 15:21               ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-12-15 12:17                 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-12-15 18:06                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-15 18:06                     ` [bug#33600] " Ludovic Courtès
2019-03-05 11:36                     ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-12-15 18:04                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-14 14:45           ` Using a CDN or some other mirror? Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-09 15:59     ` CDN performance Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-11  5:17       ` Meiyo Peng
     [not found]         ` <CAAYZrgbOZYyKhaHzziWfKz-nHVcUWS6WCo4TAq8bbDn9=YMTZA@mail.gmail.com>
2018-12-11  5:59           ` Meiyo Peng
     [not found]             ` <CAAYZrgb431xW1RD0Hf0d15T3AiW5yZWLL6oqHsyanv1qSf8Zuw@mail.gmail.com>
2018-12-11  6:14               ` Meiyo Peng
2018-12-13  7:11         ` Chris Marusich
2018-12-17  6:48           ` Meiyo Peng
2018-12-17  6:48             ` [bug#33600] " Meiyo Peng
2018-12-21 10:22             ` Chris Marusich
2018-12-21 16:04               ` Meiyo Peng
2018-12-21 16:04                 ` [bug#33600] " Meiyo Peng
2018-12-13  8:05       ` Chris Marusich
2018-12-13 10:41         ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2018-12-15  1:40           ` Mark H Weaver
2018-12-19 12:40             ` Giovanni Biscuolo [this message]
2018-12-21  0:23               ` Trustworthiness of build farms (was Re: CDN performance) Mark H Weaver
2018-12-21 20:47               ` CDN performance Marius Bakke
2018-12-21 20:47                 ` [bug#33600] " Marius Bakke
2018-12-24 14:47           ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-12-14 10:26         ` guix.gnu.org sub-domain Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-15 23:20           ` Chris Marusich
2018-12-15 23:20             ` [bug#33600] " Chris Marusich
2019-01-25  4:54             ` Amin Bandali
2018-12-14 10:35         ` CDN performance Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-13  9:21     ` Using a CDN or some other mirror? Giovanni Biscuolo
2018-12-14 12:17       ` Chris Marusich
2018-12-03 18:20 ` [PATCH 0/3] Defaulting to ci.guix.info (aka. berlin.guixsd.org) Amin Bandali
2018-12-04 14:11   ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-11  5:41     ` Amin Bandali
2018-12-03 23:44 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-12-04  5:55   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-12-04  5:55     ` [bug#33600] " Ricardo Wurmus
2018-12-04  9:03     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-04 10:08       ` Andreas Enge
2018-12-04  8:59   ` Andreas Enge
2018-12-04 10:28     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-04 10:46       ` Andreas Enge
2018-12-04 14:12         ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-04  3:40 ` Meiyo Peng
2018-12-04 14:13   ` Ludovic Courtès

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