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From: Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net>
To: Giovanni Biscuolo <g@xelera.eu>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, 33600@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: CDN performance
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:47:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ftunq8wq.fsf@mdc-berlin.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878t0thfp9.fsf@roquette.mug.biscuolo.net>


Hi Giovanni,

> for this very reason IMHO we should work towards a network of **very
> trusted** build farms directly managed and controlled by the GuixSD
> project sysadmins; if build farms will be able to quickly provide
> substitutes, caching mirrors will be _much more_ effective than today
>
> ... and a network of "automated guix challenge" servers to spot
> not-reproducible software in GuixSD
>
> with a solid infrastructure of "scientifically" trustable build farms,
> there are no reasons not to trust substitutes servers (this implies
> working towards 100% reproducibility of GuixSD)

This sets the bar very high.  I administer berlin.guix.info /
ci.guix.info (same server) and most of the associated build nodes, but I
don’t think people should trust these computers more than their own
computers or those managed by people they personally know.

The build servers do the same work that a user would do who builds
software locally without substitutes; the builders are supposed to
behave just like any other user.  (And we can challenge their authority
with “guix challenge”.)  I want us to keep in mind that build farms
don’t necessarily deserve any more trust than other computers you don’t
control.  Substitute servers are a convenience.

To improve distribution of binaries we are committed to working on
different strategies at the same time:

- improve our processes so that non-critical package changes only hit
  the master branch when we have already built the package and made it
  available for distribution.

- improve availability of the single server berlin.guix.info by hooking
  it up to a CDN via the name ci.guix.info (from which users can easily
  opt out by changing their default substitute server to
  berlin.guix.info).

- improve redundancy by setting up an off-site fail-over for the head of
  the build farm at berlin.guix.info (such as bayfront).

- distribute build artefacts over IPFS without requiring a central
  authority

All of these things can be done in parallel by different people.  This
increases the project’s resilience and the options that users can choose
from.

--
Ricardo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-12-24 14:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-12-03 15:43 [PATCH 0/3] Defaulting to ci.guix.info (aka. berlin.guixsd.org) Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-03 16:12 ` Using a CDN or some other mirror? Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-03 20:47   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-12-04 10:40   ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-12-04 14:05     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-04 17:03       ` Pjotr Prins
2018-12-04 17:58       ` Thompson, David
2018-12-05  2:32       ` Meiyo Peng
2018-12-05  5:38         ` Leo Famulari
2018-12-05 10:59         ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-12-05 11:46       ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-12-07 14:05         ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-09  9:44           ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-12-04 21:15     ` ng0
2018-12-04 21:50       ` Thompson, David
2018-12-05  9:28         ` ng0
2018-12-09  3:33   ` Chris Marusich
2018-12-09 12:12     ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-12-09 13:58       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-11 16:38         ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2018-12-11 16:38           ` [bug#33600] " Giovanni Biscuolo
2018-12-14  8:35         ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-12-14  8:35           ` [bug#33600] " Hartmut Goebel
2018-12-14  9:02           ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-12-14 14:48             ` Compressing nars with lzip or similar Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-14 14:48               ` [bug#33600] " Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-14 15:21               ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-12-15 12:17                 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-12-15 18:06                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-15 18:06                     ` [bug#33600] " Ludovic Courtès
2019-03-05 11:36                     ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-12-15 18:04                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-14 14:45           ` Using a CDN or some other mirror? Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-09 15:59     ` CDN performance Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-11  5:17       ` Meiyo Peng
     [not found]         ` <CAAYZrgbOZYyKhaHzziWfKz-nHVcUWS6WCo4TAq8bbDn9=YMTZA@mail.gmail.com>
2018-12-11  5:59           ` Meiyo Peng
     [not found]             ` <CAAYZrgb431xW1RD0Hf0d15T3AiW5yZWLL6oqHsyanv1qSf8Zuw@mail.gmail.com>
2018-12-11  6:14               ` Meiyo Peng
2018-12-13  7:11         ` Chris Marusich
2018-12-17  6:48           ` Meiyo Peng
2018-12-17  6:48             ` [bug#33600] " Meiyo Peng
2018-12-21 10:22             ` Chris Marusich
2018-12-21 16:04               ` Meiyo Peng
2018-12-21 16:04                 ` [bug#33600] " Meiyo Peng
2018-12-13  8:05       ` Chris Marusich
2018-12-13 10:41         ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2018-12-15  1:40           ` Mark H Weaver
2018-12-19 12:40             ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2018-12-21  0:23               ` Trustworthiness of build farms (was Re: CDN performance) Mark H Weaver
2018-12-21 20:47               ` CDN performance Marius Bakke
2018-12-21 20:47                 ` [bug#33600] " Marius Bakke
2018-12-24 14:47           ` Ricardo Wurmus [this message]
2018-12-14 10:26         ` guix.gnu.org sub-domain Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-15 23:20           ` Chris Marusich
2018-12-15 23:20             ` [bug#33600] " Chris Marusich
2019-01-25  4:54             ` Amin Bandali
2018-12-14 10:35         ` CDN performance Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-13  9:21     ` Using a CDN or some other mirror? Giovanni Biscuolo
2018-12-14 12:17       ` Chris Marusich
2018-12-03 18:20 ` [PATCH 0/3] Defaulting to ci.guix.info (aka. berlin.guixsd.org) Amin Bandali
2018-12-04 14:11   ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-11  5:41     ` Amin Bandali
2018-12-03 23:44 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-12-04  5:55   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-12-04  5:55     ` [bug#33600] " Ricardo Wurmus
2018-12-04  9:03     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-04 10:08       ` Andreas Enge
2018-12-04  8:59   ` Andreas Enge
2018-12-04 10:28     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-04 10:46       ` Andreas Enge
2018-12-04 14:12         ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-04  3:40 ` Meiyo Peng
2018-12-04 14:13   ` Ludovic Courtès

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