* GNOME Desktop
@ 2019-05-05 13:38 Dexter Morgan
2019-05-05 14:51 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-05-05 21:09 ` Mark H Weaver
0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Dexter Morgan @ 2019-05-05 13:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-guix
Hi,
How can I use GNOME Core Applications
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Core_Applications) that are
missing in Guix System? I am quite frusturated and disappointed with
the GNOME Desktop in Guix. I can't even use a music player or a
calendar. I thought I do not have deal with additional applications if
I use a Desktop Environment, but it seems GNOME Desktop in Guix is
incomplete. :(. Are there any tricks to enable and use these missing
applications please?
Thanks.
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* Re: GNOME Desktop
2019-05-05 13:38 GNOME Desktop Dexter Morgan
@ 2019-05-05 14:51 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-05-05 20:13 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-05-05 21:09 ` Mark H Weaver
1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) @ 2019-05-05 14:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dexter Morgan; +Cc: help-guix
On Sun, May 05, 2019 at 03:38:15PM +0200, Dexter Morgan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> How can I use GNOME Core Applications
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Core_Applications) that are
> missing in Guix System? I am quite frusturated and disappointed with
> the GNOME Desktop in Guix. I can't even use a music player or a
> calendar. I thought I do not have deal with additional applications if
> I use a Desktop Environment, but it seems GNOME Desktop in Guix is
> incomplete. :(. Are there any tricks to enable and use these missing
> applications please?
>
> Thanks.
You can type in the terminal:
guix install gnome-calendar
This should become part of guix’ gnome package. That it is missing is
a bug.
Some core applications have not been packaged yet, but alternatives
have been packaged already, e.g. when entering
guix search photos | less
you can see that shotwell is packaged, even though gnome-photos is
not.
Regards,
Florian
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* Re: GNOME Desktop
2019-05-05 14:51 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
@ 2019-05-05 20:13 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-05-05 20:54 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Ricardo Wurmus @ 2019-05-05 20:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-guix; +Cc: Dexter Morgan
pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) <pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de> writes:
> On Sun, May 05, 2019 at 03:38:15PM +0200, Dexter Morgan wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> How can I use GNOME Core Applications
>> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Core_Applications) that are
>> missing in Guix System? I am quite frusturated and disappointed with
>> the GNOME Desktop in Guix. I can't even use a music player or a
>> calendar. I thought I do not have deal with additional applications if
>> I use a Desktop Environment, but it seems GNOME Desktop in Guix is
>> incomplete. :(. Are there any tricks to enable and use these missing
>> applications please?
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> You can type in the terminal:
>
> guix install gnome-calendar
>
> This should become part of guix’ gnome package. That it is missing is
> a bug.
Is it really? I do like that we can choose to install only the
essential parts of GNOME without having to install packages that we may
not need.
Perhaps this could remain configurable.
--
Ricardo
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* Re: GNOME Desktop
2019-05-05 20:13 ` Ricardo Wurmus
@ 2019-05-05 20:54 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-05-05 21:19 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-05-06 3:41 ` Timothy Sample
0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) @ 2019-05-05 20:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ricardo Wurmus; +Cc: help-guix, Dexter Morgan
On Sun, May 05, 2019 at 10:13:38PM +0200, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
> pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) <pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de> writes:
> > You can type in the terminal:
> >
> > guix install gnome-calendar
> >
> > This should become part of guix’ gnome package. That it is missing is
> > a bug.
>
> Is it really? I do like that we can choose to install only the
> essential parts of GNOME without having to install packages that we may
> not need.
>
> Perhaps this could remain configurable.
>
In this case, maybe there should be a gnome-minimal package.
Personally, I don’t like epiphany and use my own gnome package
propagating the same packages but without epiphany.
Regards,
Florian
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* Re: GNOME Desktop
2019-05-05 13:38 GNOME Desktop Dexter Morgan
2019-05-05 14:51 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
@ 2019-05-05 21:09 ` Mark H Weaver
1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Mark H Weaver @ 2019-05-05 21:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dexter Morgan; +Cc: help-guix
Hi Dexter,
"Dexter Morgan" <dextermorgan@asia.com> writes:
> How can I use GNOME Core Applications
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Core_Applications) that are
> missing in Guix System? I am quite frusturated and disappointed with
> the GNOME Desktop in Guix. I can't even use a music player or a
> calendar.
I'm sorry to hear it.
FWIW, we have a large selection of music players in Guix. Two that are
built on GNOME libraries include 'rhythmbox' and 'lollypop', but there
are many others, too many to list here.
For calendaring programs, we currently have 'gnome-calendar' and
'evolution', and possibly others.
> I thought I do not have deal with additional applications if
> I use a Desktop Environment, but it seems GNOME Desktop in Guix is
> incomplete. :(. Are there any tricks to enable and use these missing
> applications please?
Simply install your preferred applications to your user profile, or
alternatively you could add them to the 'packages' field of your system
profile.
It's possible that our GNOME desktop should include more programs by
default. Can you tell us specifically which programs you think should
be added?
In the area of music players and calendars, I suspect that no matter
what choices we make here, a large percentage of our users will not want
our default choices. Most people seem to have specific programs that
they prefer to use, and there's not much agreement in these areas.
Moreover, sadly, I get the impression that most of the younger
generation prefer to use web-based Services as a Software Substitute
(SaaSS)[1] for their music and calendaring needs.
So, if we add a default music player and calendar, I suspect that for
many (if not most) users, those defaults will merely be unwanted bloat.
Some users will ask how to remove the defaults, to avoid repeatedly
downloading substitutes for programs they don't want, which will be
awkward.
Given this, it seems a reasonable choice to let users explicitly install
their preferred programs. Does that make sense?
What do you think?
Regards,
Mark
[1] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.en.html
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* Re: GNOME Desktop
2019-05-05 20:54 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
@ 2019-05-05 21:19 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-05-06 3:41 ` Timothy Sample
1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Ricardo Wurmus @ 2019-05-05 21:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pelzflorian (Florian Pelz); +Cc: help-guix, Dexter Morgan
pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) <pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de> writes:
> On Sun, May 05, 2019 at 10:13:38PM +0200, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
>> pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) <pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de> writes:
>> > You can type in the terminal:
>> >
>> > guix install gnome-calendar
>> >
>> > This should become part of guix’ gnome package. That it is missing is
>> > a bug.
>>
>> Is it really? I do like that we can choose to install only the
>> essential parts of GNOME without having to install packages that we may
>> not need.
>>
>> Perhaps this could remain configurable.
>>
>
> In this case, maybe there should be a gnome-minimal package.
This seems like a good idea. Users of the gnome-service-type could swap
out “gnome” (which would default to including all packages the GNOME
developers deem to be part of a recommended GNOME installation) for
“gnome-minimal”.
Shall we discuss the details at bug 35586?
--
Ricardo
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* Re: GNOME Desktop
2019-05-05 20:54 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-05-05 21:19 ` Ricardo Wurmus
@ 2019-05-06 3:41 ` Timothy Sample
2019-05-06 12:10 ` sirgazil
1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Timothy Sample @ 2019-05-06 3:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pelzflorian (Florian Pelz); +Cc: help-guix, Dexter Morgan
Hi,
"pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de> writes:
> On Sun, May 05, 2019 at 10:13:38PM +0200, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
>> pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) <pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de> writes:
>> > You can type in the terminal:
>> >
>> > guix install gnome-calendar
>> >
>> > This should become part of guix’ gnome package. That it is missing is
>> > a bug.
>>
>> Is it really? I do like that we can choose to install only the
>> essential parts of GNOME without having to install packages that we may
>> not need.
>>
>> Perhaps this could remain configurable.
>>
>
> In this case, maybe there should be a gnome-minimal package.
> Personally, I don’t like epiphany and use my own gnome package
> propagating the same packages but without epiphany.
I agree. It would be nice to have an minimal package and
bells-and-whistles package.
While checking some things for GNOME 3.30, I (inadvertently) made a list
of all the “core” GNOME software that we are missing. I thought I would
post it here just for the record. I don’t know what all of these are,
but some of them look ripe for packaging. :)
gnome-boxes
gnome-characters
gnome-color-manager
gnome-contacts
gnome-documents
gnome-font-viewer
gnome-getting-started-docs
gnome-initial-setup
gnome-logs
gnome-menus
gnome-music
gnome-online-miners
gnome-photos
gnome-software
gnome-themes-extra
gnome-user-docs
gnome-user-share
gnome-weather
gssdp
gupnp
gupnp-av
gupnp-dlna
gupnp-igd
libgepub
libgovirt
libgrss
libmediaart
mm-common
mousetweaks
phodav
rygel
sushi
tracker-miners
vino
-- Tim
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* Re: GNOME Desktop
2019-05-06 3:41 ` Timothy Sample
@ 2019-05-06 12:10 ` sirgazil
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: sirgazil @ 2019-05-06 12:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Timothy Sample; +Cc: help-guix, Dexter Morgan
---- On Sun, 05 May 2019 22:41:26 -0500 Timothy Sample <samplet@ngyro.com> wrote ----
> Hi,
>
> "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de> writes:
>
> > On Sun, May 05, 2019 at 10:13:38PM +0200, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
> >> pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) <pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de> writes:
> >> > You can type in the terminal:
> >> >
> >> > guix install gnome-calendar
> >> >
> >> > This should become part of guix’ gnome package. That it is missing is
> >> > a bug.
> >>
> >> Is it really? I do like that we can choose to install only the
> >> essential parts of GNOME without having to install packages that we may
> >> not need.
> >>
> >> Perhaps this could remain configurable.
> >>
> >
> > In this case, maybe there should be a gnome-minimal package.
> > Personally, I don’t like epiphany and use my own gnome package
> > propagating the same packages but without epiphany.
>
> I agree. It would be nice to have an minimal package and
> bells-and-whistles package.
I'd like that to have that option to install the whole GNOME experience easily.
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