* Guix closure size of a system?
@ 2020-05-19 6:19 Pierre Neidhardt
2020-05-19 6:30 ` Mathieu Othacehe
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From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2020-05-19 6:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-guix
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Hi!
Is there a way to calculate the closure size of a system (as generated
by guix system reconfigure config.scm)?
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Pierre Neidhardt
https://ambrevar.xyz/
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread* Re: Guix closure size of a system?
2020-05-19 6:19 Guix closure size of a system? Pierre Neidhardt
@ 2020-05-19 6:30 ` Mathieu Othacehe
2020-05-19 7:15 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-05-19 9:33 ` Marius Bakke
2020-05-19 10:52 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Mathieu Othacehe @ 2020-05-19 6:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Pierre Neidhardt; +Cc: help-guix
Hello Pierre,
> Is there a way to calculate the closure size of a system (as generated
> by guix system reconfigure config.scm)?
Yes, you can pass '-d' to 'guix system' to get the matching
derivation. Then you can pass this derivation to 'guix size'.
Mathieu
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* Re: Guix closure size of a system?
2020-05-19 6:30 ` Mathieu Othacehe
@ 2020-05-19 7:15 ` Pierre Neidhardt
0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2020-05-19 7:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mathieu Othacehe; +Cc: help-guix
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`guix size -h` does not advertize that it can take derivations. Doc
bug?
I tried your trick but it seems to take forever. So I tried on a
lighter package then:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> guix size zile
store item total self
/gnu/store/fa6wj5bxkj5ll1d7292a70knmyl7a0cr-glibc-2.31 38.4 36.7 42.9%
/gnu/store/01b4w3m6mp55y531kyi1g8shh722kwqm-gcc-7.5.0-lib 71.0 32.6 38.1%
/gnu/store/87kif0bpf0anwbsaw0jvg8fyciw4sz67-bash-5.0.16 84.6 6.3 7.3%
/gnu/store/zzkly5rbfvahwqgcs7crz0ilpi7x5g5p-ncurses-6.2 76.9 5.9 6.9%
/gnu/store/mmhimfwmmidf09jw1plw3aw1g1zn2nkh-bash-static-5.0.16 1.6 1.6 1.9%
/gnu/store/knp4rkdm39ph4brkbzsp07q248nfffi1-readline-8.0.4 78.3 1.4 1.6%
/gnu/store/zg126cjicrpm2p6zc08ra5vh4ddag7ww-libgc-8.0.4 71.8 0.8 0.9%
/gnu/store/2q5ksz7xaxg0ns1hrjkx7v7yip138khr-zile-2.4.14 85.7 0.3 0.4%
total: 85.7 MiB
> guix size /gnu/store/nsjg897k88b2hr4nwhhrw2g0gxd9n6gc-zile-2.4.14.drv
store item total self
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`guix size` of a derivation does not seem to return what I want :)
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Pierre Neidhardt
https://ambrevar.xyz/
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* Re: Guix closure size of a system?
2020-05-19 6:19 Guix closure size of a system? Pierre Neidhardt
2020-05-19 6:30 ` Mathieu Othacehe
@ 2020-05-19 9:33 ` Marius Bakke
2020-05-19 9:57 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-05-19 10:52 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
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From: Marius Bakke @ 2020-05-19 9:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Pierre Neidhardt, help-guix
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Pierre Neidhardt <mail@ambrevar.xyz> writes:
> Hi!
>
> Is there a way to calculate the closure size of a system (as generated
> by guix system reconfigure config.scm)?
Try: 'guix size $(guix system build config.scm)'.
Or for the currently running generation:
'guix size $(readlink -f /run/current-system)'
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* Re: Guix closure size of a system?
2020-05-19 9:33 ` Marius Bakke
@ 2020-05-19 9:57 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-05-19 12:21 ` Julien Lepiller
2020-05-19 15:41 ` Leo Famulari
0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2020-05-19 9:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marius Bakke, help-guix; +Cc: Mathieu Othacehe
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This works, thanks!
Should we document it in `guix size -h`?
I think the result is interesting with respect to the discussion we had
about shrinking the closure sizes in Guix:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> guix size /gnu/store/alydrspjw3sfc6b01kyz30vjhjrny86c-system
store item total self
/gnu/store/w8gjhcw6a16rk1dvxa97bz2znal5fihm-go-1.13.9 639.1 350.7 6.8%
/gnu/store/9qs1v87rv4ch7x07adbx8pfnkjxm39d1-guix-1.1.0-4.bdc801e 467.8 268.9 5.2%
/gnu/store/cpx45dbix533r2yx73jbv8fd0h8c3vyn-linux-5.4.41 244.0 244.0 4.7%
/gnu/store/6hnk449wv8vhbrm0in0ychqiwipsqyza-docker-19.03.7 1245.3 195.7 3.8%
/gnu/store/n08as2lvmcc14q57bq1z8p7r1kaa1vv2-gnome-getting-started-docs-3.32.2 164.0 164.0 3.2%
/gnu/store/skxkrhgn9z0fg9hmnbcyfdgzs5w4ryrr-llvm-9.0.1 199.9 128.5 2.5%
/gnu/store/da1lys4i2yxl549iwkbdg1fb7azphniw-emacs-26.3 1181.3 128.1 2.5%
/gnu/store/8jn365r0kk69j1f4b1q2b7aa2qm1xvg1-mesa-19.3.4 341.6 114.6 2.2%
/gnu/store/rn75fm7adgx3pw5j8pg3bczfqq1y17lk-gcc-7.5.0 178.5 107.3 2.1%
/gnu/store/rsjdq6b0csxc16mbapx5yvrc2zrk20za-containerd-1.2.5 755.7 105.9 2.0%
/gnu/store/vnivzyfy0bcxz8rn9gasav5k7skax57y-samba-4.12.2 594.1 98.8 1.9%
/gnu/store/1hrwdsd5fwn3xmdgnpyg2h1j5jr6q8ws-webkitgtk-2.28.2 930.4 98.2 1.9%
/gnu/store/znly83q0jmcqg6ppwbz5marj5ix9vkk2-locale-2.31 91.9 91.9 1.8%
/gnu/store/ikcjpg1y0mb5qinpdc0q85xvm53cz80q-locale-2.28 91.8 91.8 1.8%
/gnu/store/09a5iq080g9b641jyl363dr5jkkvnhcn-python-3.8.2 171.4 79.8 1.5%
/gnu/store/fj33c1nw4v81qcd33wp53f3aa01g3m9d-ibus-1.5.22 946.2 66.3 1.3%
/gnu/store/sd278fsdfx5hjrcgncflnp9qq4l42p1c-python2-2.7.17 151.7 61.1 1.2%
/gnu/store/8zvc5mvk0xm3ygrxsgpyy5ilxb5rzjry-perl-5.30.2 146.2 57.1 1.1%
/gnu/store/lvnv80g5iqf7fqlckadjfrad9999d4f7-mozjs-60.2.3-2 248.3 54.7 1.1%
/gnu/store/ljcrz0d86r20phszvj6s1mdyjchz79ja-guile-static-stripped-3.0.2 54.7 54.7 1.1%
/gnu/store/m1z7cdbqsqyp9xnjw5cvlb4a7gkcg3m4-binutils-2.34 93.0 54.6 1.1%
/gnu/store/18hp7flyb3yid3yp49i6qcdq0sbi5l1n-guile-3.0.2 132.8 53.2 1.0%
/gnu/store/0m0vd873jp61lcm4xa3ljdgx381qa782-guile-3.0.2 132.8 53.2 1.0%
/gnu/store/fii66zlqdzv3kbfdbzmj33vvxfwvj33h-gnome-user-docs-3.32.3 49.9 49.9 1.0%
[...]
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
- go: I think I've got go because of docker, but go should be a
build-time dependency, I don't think it belong here.
- llvm: I think it's mostly dragged by Mesa.
Mesa depends on some LLVM libs, but not all of llvm:
https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/mesa/
Moving the llvm libs to a "lib" output could reduce the closure size of
many packages I believe.
Thoughts?
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* Re: Guix closure size of a system?
2020-05-19 9:57 ` Pierre Neidhardt
@ 2020-05-19 12:21 ` Julien Lepiller
2020-05-19 12:50 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-05-19 15:41 ` Leo Famulari
1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Julien Lepiller @ 2020-05-19 12:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-guix, Pierre Neidhardt, Marius Bakke; +Cc: Mathieu Othacehe
Le 19 mai 2020 05:57:02 GMT-04:00, Pierre Neidhardt <mail@ambrevar.xyz> a écrit :
>This works, thanks!
>
>Should we document it in `guix size -h`?
>
>I think the result is interesting with respect to the discussion we had
>about shrinking the closure sizes in Guix:
>
>--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>> guix size /gnu/store/alydrspjw3sfc6b01kyz30vjhjrny86c-system
>store item total
> self
>/gnu/store/w8gjhcw6a16rk1dvxa97bz2znal5fihm-go-1.13.9
>639.1 350.7 6.8%
>/gnu/store/9qs1v87rv4ch7x07adbx8pfnkjxm39d1-guix-1.1.0-4.bdc801e
>467.8 268.9 5.2%
>/gnu/store/cpx45dbix533r2yx73jbv8fd0h8c3vyn-linux-5.4.41
>244.0 244.0 4.7%
>/gnu/store/6hnk449wv8vhbrm0in0ychqiwipsqyza-docker-19.03.7
>1245.3 195.7 3.8%
>/gnu/store/n08as2lvmcc14q57bq1z8p7r1kaa1vv2-gnome-getting-started-docs-3.32.2
> 164.0 164.0 3.2%
>/gnu/store/skxkrhgn9z0fg9hmnbcyfdgzs5w4ryrr-llvm-9.0.1
>199.9 128.5 2.5%
>/gnu/store/da1lys4i2yxl549iwkbdg1fb7azphniw-emacs-26.3
>1181.3 128.1 2.5%
>/gnu/store/8jn365r0kk69j1f4b1q2b7aa2qm1xvg1-mesa-19.3.4
>341.6 114.6 2.2%
>/gnu/store/rn75fm7adgx3pw5j8pg3bczfqq1y17lk-gcc-7.5.0
>178.5 107.3 2.1%
>/gnu/store/rsjdq6b0csxc16mbapx5yvrc2zrk20za-containerd-1.2.5
>755.7 105.9 2.0%
>/gnu/store/vnivzyfy0bcxz8rn9gasav5k7skax57y-samba-4.12.2
>594.1 98.8 1.9%
>/gnu/store/1hrwdsd5fwn3xmdgnpyg2h1j5jr6q8ws-webkitgtk-2.28.2
>930.4 98.2 1.9%
>/gnu/store/znly83q0jmcqg6ppwbz5marj5ix9vkk2-locale-2.31
>91.9 91.9 1.8%
>/gnu/store/ikcjpg1y0mb5qinpdc0q85xvm53cz80q-locale-2.28
>91.8 91.8 1.8%
>/gnu/store/09a5iq080g9b641jyl363dr5jkkvnhcn-python-3.8.2
>171.4 79.8 1.5%
>/gnu/store/fj33c1nw4v81qcd33wp53f3aa01g3m9d-ibus-1.5.22
>946.2 66.3 1.3%
>/gnu/store/sd278fsdfx5hjrcgncflnp9qq4l42p1c-python2-2.7.17
>151.7 61.1 1.2%
>/gnu/store/8zvc5mvk0xm3ygrxsgpyy5ilxb5rzjry-perl-5.30.2
>146.2 57.1 1.1%
>/gnu/store/lvnv80g5iqf7fqlckadjfrad9999d4f7-mozjs-60.2.3-2
>248.3 54.7 1.1%
>/gnu/store/ljcrz0d86r20phszvj6s1mdyjchz79ja-guile-static-stripped-3.0.2
> 54.7 54.7 1.1%
>/gnu/store/m1z7cdbqsqyp9xnjw5cvlb4a7gkcg3m4-binutils-2.34
>93.0 54.6 1.1%
>/gnu/store/18hp7flyb3yid3yp49i6qcdq0sbi5l1n-guile-3.0.2
>132.8 53.2 1.0%
>/gnu/store/0m0vd873jp61lcm4xa3ljdgx381qa782-guile-3.0.2
>132.8 53.2 1.0%
>/gnu/store/fii66zlqdzv3kbfdbzmj33vvxfwvj33h-gnome-user-docs-3.32.3
>49.9 49.9 1.0%
>[...]
>--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
>- go: I think I've got go because of docker, but go should be a
> build-time dependency, I don't think it belong here.
>
>- llvm: I think it's mostly dragged by Mesa.
> Mesa depends on some LLVM libs, but not all of llvm:
> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/mesa/
>
>Moving the llvm libs to a "lib" output could reduce the closure size of
>many packages I believe.
>
>Thoughts?
Llvm doesn't support that afaik.
I've recently found that we have a 30MB static library in mozjs (a gdm dependency) that is described as unused by other packages in FS, and they suggest to remove it.
Another easy win is the 30MB gnome-backgrounds which useless on my system, as I don't use gnome. Not sure why it's in the closure of gdm.
We could gain 50MB in the closure of many software (but not the system) by placing gnutls guile bindings in their own output (for instance, icecat depends on ffmpeg which depends on gnutls which in turn depends on guile). This might still be useful to reduce the size of separate profiles.
I'll probably send a some patches in the next few days :)
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* Re: Guix closure size of a system?
2020-05-19 12:21 ` Julien Lepiller
@ 2020-05-19 12:50 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-05-19 13:05 ` Julien Lepiller
0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2020-05-19 12:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Julien Lepiller, help-guix, Marius Bakke; +Cc: Mathieu Othacehe
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Julien Lepiller <julien@lepiller.eu> writes:
>>Moving the llvm libs to a "lib" output could reduce the closure size of
>>many packages I believe.
>>
>>Thoughts?
>
> Llvm doesn't support that afaik.
Does not support what?
Arch Linux has a separate llvm-libs package, I suppose we can do
something similar.
> I've recently found that we have a 30MB static library in mozjs (a gdm dependency) that is described as unused by other packages in FS, and they suggest to remove it.
>
> Another easy win is the 30MB gnome-backgrounds which useless on my system, as I don't use gnome. Not sure why it's in the closure of gdm.
>
> We could gain 50MB in the closure of many software (but not the system) by placing gnutls guile bindings in their own output (for instance, icecat depends on ffmpeg which depends on gnutls which in turn depends on guile). This might still be useful to reduce the size of separate profiles.
>
> I'll probably send a some patches in the next few days :)
Fantastic, and thankgs for your insights!
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* Re: Guix closure size of a system?
2020-05-19 12:50 ` Pierre Neidhardt
@ 2020-05-19 13:05 ` Julien Lepiller
0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Julien Lepiller @ 2020-05-19 13:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Pierre Neidhardt, help-guix, Marius Bakke; +Cc: Mathieu Othacehe
Le 19 mai 2020 08:50:39 GMT-04:00, Pierre Neidhardt <mail@ambrevar.xyz> a écrit :
>Julien Lepiller <julien@lepiller.eu> writes:
>
>>>Moving the llvm libs to a "lib" output could reduce the closure size
>of
>>>many packages I believe.
>>>
>>>Thoughts?
>>
>> Llvm doesn't support that afaik.
>
>Does not support what?
>Arch Linux has a separate llvm-libs package, I suppose we can do
>something similar.
>
>> I've recently found that we have a 30MB static library in mozjs (a
>gdm dependency) that is described as unused by other packages in FS,
>and they suggest to remove it.
>>
>> Another easy win is the 30MB gnome-backgrounds which useless on my
>system, as I don't use gnome. Not sure why it's in the closure of gdm.
>>
>> We could gain 50MB in the closure of many software (but not the
>system) by placing gnutls guile bindings in their own output (for
>instance, icecat depends on ffmpeg which depends on gnutls which in
>turn depends on guile). This might still be useful to reduce the size
>of separate profiles.
>>
>> I'll probably send a some patches in the next few days :)
>
>Fantastic, and thankgs for your insights!
A separate /lib. Archlinux can do this because the package installs at the expected /lib. I remember trying to set a libdir, but that failed because the libdir and the rest of llvm didn't share the same prefix. Of course you can still try, I'll be happy if you can find a way to split the package properly :)
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* Re: Guix closure size of a system?
2020-05-19 9:57 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-05-19 12:21 ` Julien Lepiller
@ 2020-05-19 15:41 ` Leo Famulari
2020-05-19 15:58 ` Pierre Neidhardt
1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Leo Famulari @ 2020-05-19 15:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Pierre Neidhardt; +Cc: Mathieu Othacehe, help-guix
On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 11:57:02AM +0200, Pierre Neidhardt wrote:
> /gnu/store/w8gjhcw6a16rk1dvxa97bz2znal5fihm-go-1.13.9 639.1 350.7 6.8%
> - go: I think I've got go because of docker, but go should be a
> build-time dependency, I don't think it belong here.
Just FYI the Go build system has a phase that removes references to the
Go compiler.
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* Re: Guix closure size of a system?
2020-05-19 15:41 ` Leo Famulari
@ 2020-05-19 15:58 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-05-19 16:22 ` Leo Famulari
0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2020-05-19 15:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Leo Famulari; +Cc: Mathieu Othacehe, help-guix
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I haven't looked at the details, but
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> guix size docker
store item total self
/gnu/store/w8gjhcw6a16rk1dvxa97bz2znal5fihm-go-1.13.9 639.1 350.7 28.2%
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
Then
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> grep w8gjhcw6a16rk1dvxa97bz2znal5fihm dockerd
Binary file dockerd matches
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
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* Re: Guix closure size of a system?
2020-05-19 15:58 ` Pierre Neidhardt
@ 2020-05-19 16:22 ` Leo Famulari
2020-05-19 16:46 ` Pierre Neidhardt
0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Leo Famulari @ 2020-05-19 16:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Pierre Neidhardt; +Cc: Mathieu Othacehe, help-guix
On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 05:58:54PM +0200, Pierre Neidhardt wrote:
> I haven't looked at the details, but
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> > guix size docker
> store item total self
> /gnu/store/w8gjhcw6a16rk1dvxa97bz2znal5fihm-go-1.13.9 639.1 350.7 28.2%
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> Then
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> > grep w8gjhcw6a16rk1dvxa97bz2znal5fihm dockerd
> Binary file dockerd matches
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
I don't think that package is using the go-build-system, so that is
probably the reason for the bogus reference.
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* Re: Guix closure size of a system?
2020-05-19 6:19 Guix closure size of a system? Pierre Neidhardt
2020-05-19 6:30 ` Mathieu Othacehe
2020-05-19 9:33 ` Marius Bakke
@ 2020-05-19 10:52 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice @ 2020-05-19 10:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Pierre Neidhardt; +Cc: help-guix
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Hullo Pierre,
Pierre Neidhardt 写道：
> Is there a way to calculate the closure size of a system (as
> generated
> by guix system reconfigure config.scm)?
Trivially! Guix does good the unix and composes:
$ guix size `guix build /etc/guix/system.scm`
allowing funtrospection like
$ guix size `readlink /run/current-system`
total: 3372.1 MiB
$ guix size `readlink /run/current-system/profile`
total: 2207.7 MiB
This Guix thing is pretty neat,
T G-R
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