From: MSavoritias <email@msavoritias.me>
To: Janneke Nieuwenhuizen <janneke@gnu.org>,
paul <goodoldpaul@autistici.org>
Cc: Nathan Dehnel <ncdehnel@gmail.com>, atai@atai.org, guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 14:09:41 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <e991407e-1583-1270-cbe4-61758df26d73@fannys.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87msxdfbuy.fsf@gnu.org>
On 9/23/23 13:00, Janneke Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
> paul writes:
>
> Dear Paul,
>
>> On 9/23/23 09:37, Janneke Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
>>> Nathan Dehnel writes:
>>>
>>>> I don't use emacs either (because it's so impenetrable)
>>> Emacs might be somewhat different from what you know, but this is utter
>>> bollocks.
>> Thank you for your opinion but it's just that: a subjective judgement
>> based on your own episodic experience.
> I'm sorry if my tone was too harsh, I now realise this is still
> triggering old pain.
>
> Why is it still OK to for people to keep spreading negative anecdotes
> about Emacs, and problematic to refute them or counter them with
> positive anecdotes?
>
> It's been me believing exactly such lies that scared me away from
> starting with Emacs for years, lost years in a way; something I deeply
> regret: this has to stop.
>
> Greetings,
> Janneke
>
Depends what Emacs you mean.
The vanilla Emacs experience is traditionally horrible until you start
tweaking it.
And it for years the maintainers of Emacs refuse to do anything to fix
it. So I would say complaints are pretty valid
when its the same people that push Emacs as the "blessed" way to
contribute (as in the guix manual) and then people see Emacs vanilla and
cant use it.
The problematic is not that you say positive stuff about Emacs. I have a
lot of positive stuff to say too :)
The problem part is the way you dismissed the persons experience as
"bollocks". The knowledge that the Emacs community is pretty
conservative in changing anything for decades in the default config also
doesn't help.
MSavoritias
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-09-25 11:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-09-23 5:19 The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang Nathan Dehnel
2023-09-23 7:37 ` Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
2023-09-23 8:58 ` paul
2023-09-23 10:00 ` Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
2023-09-24 7:37 ` Nathan Dehnel
2023-09-24 8:51 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-09-25 11:19 ` MSavoritias
2023-09-25 18:54 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-09-25 19:21 ` Simon Tournier
2023-09-25 11:09 ` MSavoritias [this message]
2023-09-25 20:34 ` Emacs and Guix (was Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang) Simon Tournier
2023-09-28 7:19 ` Efraim Flashner
2023-10-02 11:23 ` The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang Munyoki Kilyungi
2023-09-23 12:59 ` The Giraffe; the Pelican et al (was Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang) indieterminacy
2023-09-25 11:13 ` MSavoritias
2023-09-25 20:35 ` Simon Tournier
2023-09-26 7:33 ` indieterminacy
2023-09-23 9:56 ` The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang Ricardo Wurmus
2023-09-23 10:25 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2023-09-23 12:29 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2023-09-24 7:11 ` Nathan Dehnel
2023-09-24 20:19 ` Csepp
2023-09-24 21:46 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2023-09-27 18:38 ` Christine Lemmer-Webber
2023-09-28 6:12 ` Nathan Dehnel
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-09-20 18:00 Andy Tai
2023-10-02 14:56 ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-08-23 16:25 How can we decrease the cognitive overhead for contributors? Katherine Cox-Buday
2023-08-24 6:33 ` (
2023-08-26 0:39 ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2023-08-27 3:22 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-08-27 7:39 ` 宋文武
2023-08-28 11:42 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-01 19:12 ` Imran Iqbal
2023-09-03 17:45 ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2023-09-03 21:05 ` indieterminacy
2023-09-03 21:16 ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2023-09-13 12:20 ` Fannys
2023-09-13 15:42 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-09-17 11:29 ` MSavoritias
2023-09-18 10:09 ` Simon Tournier
2023-09-19 16:35 ` The elephant in the room and the Guix Bang Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-20 8:21 ` Csepp
2023-09-20 8:45 ` The e(macs)lephant " Nguyễn Gia Phong via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-09-20 9:28 ` MSavoritias
2023-09-20 14:03 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2023-09-20 14:09 ` MSavoritias
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