From: Nathan Dehnel <ncdehnel@gmail.com>
To: Janneke Nieuwenhuizen <janneke@gnu.org>, guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 02:37:50 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEEhgEsfc0gXWMJ99VDYBy6saC7xhJz4kU6L96Ynvo+=NdTD3Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87msxdfbuy.fsf@gnu.org>
>I'm sorry if my tone was too harsh, I now realise this is still
triggering old pain.
>Why is it still OK to for people to keep spreading negative anecdotes
about Emacs, and problematic to refute them or counter them with
positive anecdotes?
It was a mistake to say that. I felt the reflexive need to justify why
I don't use emacs, or else people would just tell me to use it anyways
as a result of talking about not knowing of a decent (alternative)
lisp editor.
>It's been me believing exactly such lies that scared me away from
starting with Emacs for years, lost years in a way; something I deeply
regret: this has to stop.
I want to clarify that I'm not just repeating rumors and I actually
have tried to use emacs.
On Sat, Sep 23, 2023 at 5:00 AM Janneke Nieuwenhuizen <janneke@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> paul writes:
>
> Dear Paul,
>
> > On 9/23/23 09:37, Janneke Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
> >> Nathan Dehnel writes:
> >>
> >>> I don't use emacs either (because it's so impenetrable)
> >> Emacs might be somewhat different from what you know, but this is utter
> >> bollocks.
> >
> > Thank you for your opinion but it's just that: a subjective judgement
> > based on your own episodic experience.
>
> I'm sorry if my tone was too harsh, I now realise this is still
> triggering old pain.
>
> Why is it still OK to for people to keep spreading negative anecdotes
> about Emacs, and problematic to refute them or counter them with
> positive anecdotes?
>
> It's been me believing exactly such lies that scared me away from
> starting with Emacs for years, lost years in a way; something I deeply
> regret: this has to stop.
>
> Greetings,
> Janneke
>
> --
> Janneke Nieuwenhuizen <janneke@gnu.org> | GNU LilyPond https://LilyPond.org
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-09-24 7:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-09-23 5:19 The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang Nathan Dehnel
2023-09-23 7:37 ` Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
2023-09-23 8:58 ` paul
2023-09-23 10:00 ` Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
2023-09-24 7:37 ` Nathan Dehnel [this message]
2023-09-24 8:51 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-09-25 11:19 ` MSavoritias
2023-09-25 18:54 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-09-25 19:21 ` Simon Tournier
2023-09-25 11:09 ` MSavoritias
2023-09-25 20:34 ` Emacs and Guix (was Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang) Simon Tournier
2023-09-28 7:19 ` Efraim Flashner
2023-10-02 11:23 ` The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang Munyoki Kilyungi
2023-09-23 12:59 ` The Giraffe; the Pelican et al (was Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang) indieterminacy
2023-09-25 11:13 ` MSavoritias
2023-09-25 20:35 ` Simon Tournier
2023-09-26 7:33 ` indieterminacy
2023-09-23 9:56 ` The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang Ricardo Wurmus
2023-09-23 10:25 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2023-09-23 12:29 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2023-09-24 7:11 ` Nathan Dehnel
2023-09-24 20:19 ` Csepp
2023-09-24 21:46 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2023-09-27 18:38 ` Christine Lemmer-Webber
2023-09-28 6:12 ` Nathan Dehnel
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-09-20 18:00 Andy Tai
2023-10-02 14:56 ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-08-23 16:25 How can we decrease the cognitive overhead for contributors? Katherine Cox-Buday
2023-08-24 6:33 ` (
2023-08-26 0:39 ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2023-08-27 3:22 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-08-27 7:39 ` 宋文武
2023-08-28 11:42 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-01 19:12 ` Imran Iqbal
2023-09-03 17:45 ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2023-09-03 21:05 ` indieterminacy
2023-09-03 21:16 ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2023-09-13 12:20 ` Fannys
2023-09-13 15:42 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-09-17 11:29 ` MSavoritias
2023-09-18 10:09 ` Simon Tournier
2023-09-19 16:35 ` The elephant in the room and the Guix Bang Giovanni Biscuolo
2023-09-20 8:21 ` Csepp
2023-09-20 8:45 ` The e(macs)lephant " Nguyễn Gia Phong via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-09-20 9:28 ` MSavoritias
2023-09-20 14:03 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2023-09-20 14:09 ` MSavoritias
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