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From: Andreas Enge <andreas@enge.fr>
To: Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>
Cc: "Maxim Cournoyer" <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com>,
	宋文武 <iyzsong@envs.net>, "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>,
	"Christopher Baines" <mail@cbaines.net>,
	guix-devel@gnu.org, 61894@debbugs.gnu.org,
	guix-maintainers@gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#61894: [PATCH RFC] Team approval for patches
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 15:19:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZAs8jT4wkjJJ6xPV@jurong> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86lek6ntpb.fsf@gmail.com>

Hello Simon,

Am Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 10:46:08AM +0100 schrieb Simon Tournier:
> Hierarchy already exists, as in any social group, as in any group of
> people collaborating.  The hierarchy is currently informal.

while I am sensitive to your argument about privileges, I am afraid that
the suggestion would remove privileges from the committers, while not
bestowing them on anybody else; as a result, everybody would be worse off
than before. Right now one out of the (let us be pessimistic) 20 active
committers can push any patch from the issue tracker, say for a package
trivially obtained via "guix import pypi ...". With the suggested change,
the currently 1 (and in future hopefully one out of a few) members of the
python group will have to approve the patch. In that situation, there is
no incentive for anybody else to even look at the patch (without agency,
why would one bother?), and we will effectively have split the Guix project
into a collection of walled gardens.

I think this suggestion has the potential to make a stuttering project
grind to a complete halt. And I am afraid that we are on a track to
replacing joy, agency and community by grind and bureaucracy.

I suggest to close this issue due to a weak consensus against the proposal
(or at least the lack of a clear consensus for it).

Andreas



  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-03-10 14:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-01 16:13 [bug#61894] [PATCH RFC] Team approval for patches Ludovic Courtès
2023-03-01 17:15 ` Christopher Baines
2023-03-01 17:59   ` Björn Höfling
2023-03-01 18:17     ` Christopher Baines
2023-03-01 19:21   ` Felix Lechner via Guix-patches via
2023-03-01 22:45   ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-03-02 11:04     ` Andreas Enge
2023-03-02 13:57       ` bug#61894: " bokr
2023-03-03  1:08       ` 宋文武
2023-03-07  1:53     ` [bug#61894] " 宋文武 via Guix-patches via
2023-03-07 10:36       ` bug#61894: " Andreas Enge
2023-03-07 12:22         ` Simon Tournier
2023-03-07 18:29           ` [bug#61894] " Maxim Cournoyer
2023-03-07 22:40             ` Leo Famulari
2023-03-08 18:58               ` bug#61894: " Maxim Cournoyer
2023-03-09  8:48                 ` [bug#61894] " Simon Tournier
2023-03-08  9:12             ` bug#61894: " Efraim Flashner
2023-03-08 17:05               ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-03-08 23:38                 ` Vagrant Cascadian
2023-03-09  5:12                   ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-03-09  9:46                 ` Simon Tournier
2023-03-10  4:36                   ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-03-10 17:22                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-03-10 18:22                       ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-03-12  2:33                         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-03-12 11:14                           ` Simon Tournier
2023-03-12  3:26                       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-03-12 11:52                         ` Andreas Enge
2023-03-13  0:08                           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-03-12 12:25                         ` Simon Tournier
2023-03-15 16:08                         ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-03-17 15:46                           ` [bug#61894] " Maxim Cournoyer
2023-03-10 14:19                   ` Andreas Enge [this message]
2023-03-10 17:33                     ` bug#61894: " Simon Tournier
2023-03-10 23:19                       ` Andreas Enge
2023-03-11 13:20                         ` Simon Tournier
2023-03-07 15:21         ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-03-06 15:48 ` [bug#61894] " Maxim Cournoyer
2023-03-06 21:42   ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-06-02 13:50 ` bug#61894: " Ludovic Courtès
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-03-13 16:30 Peter Polidoro
2023-03-14 15:58 ` Maxim Cournoyer

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