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From: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
To: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com>
Cc: 61894@debbugs.gnu.org,  guix-devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>,
	guix-maintainers@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [bug#61894] [PATCH RFC] Team approval for patches
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2023 22:42:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87edq14kvu.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h6ux285h.fsf@gmail.com> (Maxim Cournoyer's message of "Mon, 06 Mar 2023 10:48:10 -0500")

Hi,

Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com> skribis:

> It sounds reasonable and a good change "on paper", but in practice I
> think it may be too soon to formalize teams that way.  Teams are a
> nascent concept which hasn't reached a point we can rely on it, in my
> opinion.  We are still ironing out kinks in the tools [0] :-).  I'd
> prefer we stay as nimble/agile as we can and maximize the potential of
> our large committers pool for now, at the expense of sometimes having to
> retroactively discussing/fixing up or reverting some change that wasn't
> up to par, that could have possibly been caught by a more focused team.

I think formalizing collaboration would be the way to “maximize the
potential of our large committer pool”: by having clear rules, we make
it easier to work together, not harder.

Retroactively fixing, reverting, or discussing often causes unnecessary
friction and puts pressure on the collective.  Discussion should always
happen before the fact.

We’ve reached the point where the code base is large and the experiences
of individual contributors vary.  To cope with that, I think we need to
communicate and coordinate more to have a shared understanding of the
code, of our goals, of our needs and expectations.  We can no longer
rely on implicitness and the idea that silence is consent.

This proposal is one possible step in that direction, but I’m open to
other approaches.

Ludo’.


  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-06 21:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-01 16:13 [bug#61894] [PATCH RFC] Team approval for patches Ludovic Courtès
2023-03-01 17:15 ` Christopher Baines
2023-03-01 17:59   ` Björn Höfling
2023-03-01 18:17     ` Christopher Baines
2023-03-01 19:21   ` Felix Lechner via Guix-patches via
2023-03-01 22:45   ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-03-02 11:04     ` Andreas Enge
2023-03-02 13:57       ` bug#61894: " bokr
2023-03-03  1:08       ` 宋文武
2023-03-07  1:53     ` [bug#61894] " 宋文武 via Guix-patches via
2023-03-07 10:36       ` bug#61894: " Andreas Enge
2023-03-07 12:22         ` Simon Tournier
2023-03-07 18:29           ` [bug#61894] " Maxim Cournoyer
2023-03-07 22:40             ` Leo Famulari
2023-03-08 18:58               ` bug#61894: " Maxim Cournoyer
2023-03-09  8:48                 ` [bug#61894] " Simon Tournier
2023-03-08  9:12             ` bug#61894: " Efraim Flashner
2023-03-08 17:05               ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-03-08 23:38                 ` Vagrant Cascadian
2023-03-09  5:12                   ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-03-09  9:46                 ` Simon Tournier
2023-03-10  4:36                   ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-03-10 17:22                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-03-10 18:22                       ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-03-12  2:33                         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-03-12 11:14                           ` Simon Tournier
2023-03-12  3:26                       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-03-12 11:52                         ` Andreas Enge
2023-03-13  0:08                           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-03-12 12:25                         ` Simon Tournier
2023-03-15 16:08                         ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-03-17 15:46                           ` [bug#61894] " Maxim Cournoyer
2023-03-10 14:19                   ` bug#61894: " Andreas Enge
2023-03-10 17:33                     ` Simon Tournier
2023-03-10 23:19                       ` Andreas Enge
2023-03-11 13:20                         ` Simon Tournier
2023-03-07 15:21         ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-03-06 15:48 ` [bug#61894] " Maxim Cournoyer
2023-03-06 21:42   ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
2023-06-02 13:50 ` bug#61894: " Ludovic Courtès

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