* Membership disabled due to excessive bounces
@ 2018-11-11 10:58 Pierre Neidhardt
2018-11-11 11:02 ` Amirouche Boubekki
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0 siblings, 3 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-11-11 10:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: guix-devel
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Hi Guix,
Today is the second time I receive a membership deletion email from the
mailing list (first one was on the 31st of October).
It starts with:
> Your membership in the mailing list Guix-devel has been disabled due
> to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
> 11-Nov-2018. You will not get any more messages from this list until
> you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like
> this before your membership in the list is deleted.
I've re-enabled my membership both times.
My email is hosted by https://gandi.net (I use their email hosting
service). I send emails with Emacs' mu4e if that matters.
Does anyone know why this happens? I've never had this issue before
with any other mailing list (most of them also hosted by Mailman).
--
Pierre Neidhardt
https://ambrevar.xyz/
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread* Re: Membership disabled due to excessive bounces 2018-11-11 10:58 Membership disabled due to excessive bounces Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-11-11 11:02 ` Amirouche Boubekki 2018-11-11 11:22 ` Catonano 2018-11-11 22:51 ` Mark H Weaver 2018-11-12 20:41 ` Mark H Weaver 2 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Amirouche Boubekki @ 2018-11-11 11:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pierre Neidhardt; +Cc: guix-devel, Guix-devel On 2018-11-11 11:58, Pierre Neidhardt wrote: > Hi Guix, > Hi! > > I've re-enabled my membership both times. > > My email is hosted by https://gandi.net (I use their email hosting > service). I send emails with Emacs' mu4e if that matters. > > Does anyone know why this happens? I've never had this issue before > with any other mailing list (most of them also hosted by Mailman). I have the same issue with gandi, I use the webmail. > -- > Pierre Neidhardt > https://ambrevar.xyz/ -- Amirouche ~ amz3 ~ http://www.hyperdev.fr ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Membership disabled due to excessive bounces 2018-11-11 11:02 ` Amirouche Boubekki @ 2018-11-11 11:22 ` Catonano 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Catonano @ 2018-11-11 11:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Amirouche Boubekki; +Cc: guix-devel, guix-devel-bounces+amirouche=hypermove.net [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 619 bytes --] Il giorno dom 11 nov 2018 alle ore 12:02 Amirouche Boubekki < amirouche@hypermove.net> ha scritto: > On 2018-11-11 11:58, Pierre Neidhardt wrote: > > Hi Guix, > > > > Hi! > > > > > I've re-enabled my membership both times. > > > > My email is hosted by https://gandi.net (I use their email hosting > > service). I send emails with Emacs' mu4e if that matters. > > > > Does anyone know why this happens? I've never had this issue before > > with any other mailing list (most of them also hosted by Mailman). > > I have the same issue with gandi, I use the webmail. > > > it happened to me too Obviously, I use gmail [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1116 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Membership disabled due to excessive bounces 2018-11-11 10:58 Membership disabled due to excessive bounces Pierre Neidhardt 2018-11-11 11:02 ` Amirouche Boubekki @ 2018-11-11 22:51 ` Mark H Weaver 2018-11-12 20:41 ` Mark H Weaver 2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Mark H Weaver @ 2018-11-11 22:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pierre Neidhardt; +Cc: guix-devel Pierre Neidhardt <mail@ambrevar.xyz> writes: > Today is the second time I receive a membership deletion email from the > mailing list (first one was on the 31st of October). > > It starts with: > >> Your membership in the mailing list Guix-devel has been disabled due >> to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated >> 11-Nov-2018. You will not get any more messages from this list until >> you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like >> this before your membership in the list is deleted. > > I've re-enabled my membership both times. > > My email is hosted by https://gandi.net (I use their email hosting > service). I send emails with Emacs' mu4e if that matters. > > Does anyone know why this happens? I've never had this issue before > with any other mailing list (most of them also hosted by Mailman). It's happening because there's a Guix developer, who will remain unnamed, who has configured a very strict DMARC policy for their email domain, and the GNU infrastructure is not currently able to cope well with this. There are at least two unresolved issues: (1) When Guix developers push commits to our git repository, Savannah sends a notification email on their behalf, with the developer's email address in the "From:" header. (2) GNU Mailman apparently breaks the DKIM signatures on replies in some cases, due to its processing of the mail and its modification of certain mail headers. In both cases, the end result is that messages sent on this developer's behalf by Savannah or GNU Mailman are rejected by email providers that honor this developer's strict DMARC policy. Solutions exist for both of these problems. The latest version of GNU Mailman apparently avoids breaking DKIM signatures, and the git notification commit could be changed to use a different email address in the "From:" header. However, it will take some time for the GNU sysadmins to upgrade Mailman. In the meantime, unless the Guix developer will agree to change their DMARC policy (which they seem very reluctant to do), I'm sorry to report that we will have to live with this issue for a while longer. Mark ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Membership disabled due to excessive bounces 2018-11-11 10:58 Membership disabled due to excessive bounces Pierre Neidhardt 2018-11-11 11:02 ` Amirouche Boubekki 2018-11-11 22:51 ` Mark H Weaver @ 2018-11-12 20:41 ` Mark H Weaver 2018-11-12 20:54 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Mark H Weaver @ 2018-11-12 20:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pierre Neidhardt; +Cc: guix-devel Pierre Neidhardt <mail@ambrevar.xyz> writes: > Today is the second time I receive a membership deletion email from the > mailing list (first one was on the 31st of October). > > It starts with: > >> Your membership in the mailing list Guix-devel has been disabled due >> to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated >> 11-Nov-2018. You will not get any more messages from this list until >> you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like >> this before your membership in the list is deleted. > > I've re-enabled my membership both times. > > My email is hosted by https://gandi.net (I use their email hosting > service). I send emails with Emacs' mu4e if that matters. Actually, it turns out that Gandi has been rejecting some of our mailing list emails simply because they judge some of the messages to look like spam. This is a different problem than the DMARC policy issue that I mentioned in my previous message in this thread. The DMARC issue causes Gmail users to have their subscriptions disabled. Mark ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Membership disabled due to excessive bounces 2018-11-12 20:41 ` Mark H Weaver @ 2018-11-12 20:54 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2018-11-12 21:06 ` Mark H Weaver 2018-11-12 21:21 ` swedebugia 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-11-12 20:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mark H Weaver; +Cc: guix-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 72 bytes --] What shall we do then? -- Pierre Neidhardt https://ambrevar.xyz/ [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Membership disabled due to excessive bounces 2018-11-12 20:54 ` Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-11-12 21:06 ` Mark H Weaver 2018-11-12 21:21 ` swedebugia 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Mark H Weaver @ 2018-11-12 21:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pierre Neidhardt; +Cc: guix-devel Pierre Neidhardt <mail@ambrevar.xyz> writes: > What shall we do then? Off-list, I sent you one of the bounce messages, which includes the original message that was rejected. If you could ask Gandi for more information on why they rejected the message and report back, that would be helpful. Mark ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Membership disabled due to excessive bounces 2018-11-12 20:54 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2018-11-12 21:06 ` Mark H Weaver @ 2018-11-12 21:21 ` swedebugia 2018-11-15 7:21 ` Pierre Neidhardt 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: swedebugia @ 2018-11-12 21:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pierre Neidhardt, Mark H Weaver; +Cc: guix-devel On 2018-11-12 21:54, Pierre Neidhardt wrote: > What shall we do then? > Switch to Riseup! ;-) Seriously their infrastructure is rock solid and stable and I never had any issues. Donation based and run entirely on free software with <3 -- Cheers Swedebugia ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Membership disabled due to excessive bounces 2018-11-12 21:21 ` swedebugia @ 2018-11-15 7:21 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2018-11-23 17:25 ` Pierre Neidhardt 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-11-15 7:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: swedebugia; +Cc: guix-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 228 bytes --] I've contacted Gandi and they told me they fixed the issue. It was due to Thorsten having a wordpress URL in his signature :( Thank you Mark for providing me with the .eml. -- Pierre Neidhardt https://ambrevar.xyz/ [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Membership disabled due to excessive bounces 2018-11-15 7:21 ` Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-11-23 17:25 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2018-11-23 17:36 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice 2018-11-23 19:47 ` Mark H Weaver 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-11-23 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: swedebugia; +Cc: guix-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 129 bytes --] My membership was disabled again today. Mark, could you provide me the .eml? -- Pierre Neidhardt https://ambrevar.xyz/ [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Membership disabled due to excessive bounces 2018-11-23 17:25 ` Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-11-23 17:36 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice 2018-11-23 19:47 ` Mark H Weaver 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice @ 2018-11-23 17:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pierre Neidhardt; +Cc: guix-devel Pierre, Pierre Neidhardt wrote: > My membership was disabled again today. Sorry, this was probably my fault this time. In the Guix birthday thread. I've created a DMARCless subdomain to use on these lists until GNU fixes their listserv, and configured mu4e to use it automatically. That unfortunately didn't happen due to a typo, but it should be fixed now. Kind regards, T G-R ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Membership disabled due to excessive bounces 2018-11-23 17:25 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2018-11-23 17:36 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice @ 2018-11-23 19:47 ` Mark H Weaver 2018-11-23 19:56 ` Pierre Neidhardt 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Mark H Weaver @ 2018-11-23 19:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pierre Neidhardt; +Cc: guix-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 635 bytes --] Hi Pierre, Pierre Neidhardt <mail@ambrevar.xyz> writes: > My membership was disabled again today. > > Mark, could you provide me the .eml? It was caused by a message from Thorsten. Gandi Mail have frequently been rejecting Thorsten's messages, with the following reason given: Reject for policy reason. RULE2_1: Message detected as phishing either by heuristic analysis or through a fraudulent link found in it. Other Gandi Mail users have had their subscriptions auto-disabled as well, including shortly after you reported that they had claimed to have fixed the issue. I see no evidence that they fixed it. Mark [-- Attachment #2: Type: message/rfc822, Size: 6616 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2.1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 324 bytes --] This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice: List: Guix-devel Member: mail@ambrevar.xyz Action: Subscription disabled. Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces. The triggering bounce notice is attached below. Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at mailman@gnu.org. [-- Attachment #2.1.2: Type: message/rfc822, Size: 4833 bytes --] From: Mail Delivery System <Mailer-Daemon@gnu.org> To: guix-devel-bounces+mail=ambrevar.xyz@gnu.org Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 12:15:34 -0500 Message-ID: <E1gQF3G-0003iw-92@lists.gnu.org> This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: mail@ambrevar.xyz SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data: host spool.mail.gandi.net [217.70.178.1]: 550 5.7.1 Reject for policy reason RULE2_1. 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Using 'guix lint', I get the same error for all packages: > 'the source file name should contain the package name' which I don't > understand. So what's wrong? I had one such case, where it has been pointed out to me, that using git-fetch results in a cryptic filename, unless one adds (file-name (git-file-name name version)) in the origin form. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Membership disabled due to excessive bounces 2018-11-23 19:47 ` Mark H Weaver @ 2018-11-23 19:56 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2018-11-26 10:37 ` Pierre Neidhardt 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-11-23 19:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mark H Weaver; +Cc: guix-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 77 bytes --] I've contacted Gandi again. -- Pierre Neidhardt https://ambrevar.xyz/ [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Membership disabled due to excessive bounces 2018-11-23 19:56 ` Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-11-26 10:37 ` Pierre Neidhardt 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2018-11-26 10:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mark H Weaver; +Cc: guix-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 101 bytes --] They said they've fixed it again. Fingers crossed! -- Pierre Neidhardt https://ambrevar.xyz/ [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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